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Nov 09, 2004 11:00 |  #1
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Nov 09, 2004 11:15 |  #2

Hi Ferox, I won't disappoint you but 1/800 is a bit too much to aim. Not to mention that your max flash sync speed is just 1/200. But what u can try doing is bump the ISO to 800. And since you'll be close to the ring next time and the area to cover is not too much try to get a decent fast prime lens, it'll be cheaper than the 70-200 2.8f u have mentioned.




  
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Nov 09, 2004 11:21 |  #3

It does not really matter if the lens is cheap or not, rather a matter of how big of a diaphragm you have.

Chances are that in a pretty dark setting unless you have 2.8, a good noise removal method and a strong flash, you will have a hard time getting great photos.
When shooting motorsports, you get outdoor lighting and you can use a slow shutter speed quite effectively. However, in boxing you need to freeze the action, blurring will not help the image.

The biggest problem is that the most effective camera for something like boxing is a 1 series. Although the 20D performs well under high ISO, its focusing capabilities are still relatively slow compared to a 1 series. This is a sport where things are always moving and moving fast. So the camera can be an issue as well, especially if you are using a 300D or 10D or even 20D.

If you can, get as close to the ring as possible and use a strong flash. The closer you get, the shorter lens you need, hence makinmg it easier to freeze the action with a slower shutter. If you are an experienced photographer and are using a D series camera, you might want to resort to manual focusing.

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Nov 09, 2004 11:38 |  #6

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I thought focusing was a function of the lens - ?

Yes it is, but its the camera who decides where to focus and tell the lens about it. The series 1 bodies have better algorithms and computing power and hence can tell the lens where to focus faster. So the order is sent out faster but the execution depends on the lens in use. Hope that clears your doubt.




  
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Nov 09, 2004 12:48 |  #7

Have a look at this thread - very useful info on boxing photography:

http://www.sportsshoot​er.com/message_display​.html?tid=8445 (external link)

Check out the post from Robert Hanashiro!

If you're able to work from the ringside through the ropes your best bet (if your budget isn't huge) might be to pick up a 50mm f/1.8 lens. This is nice and fast, pretty sharp and will enable you to get shots when the fighters are relatively close to you. Ideally a combination of a 24-70mm f/2.8 and a 70-200mm f/2.8 would be used in these circumstances - but the 50mm plus 550ex will get you some shots if you shoot selectively.

If you're away from the ring but low down, the ropes are going to prove problematic anyway. It might not be worth shooting at all if that's the case.

The alternative is to shoot from a higher angle, looking down on the fighters. In those circumstances then you're back to square one I'm afraid - the pros would be using a 300mm or 400mm f/2.8 lens complete with remote strobes hanging from the rafters in the venue if the ambient light wasn't up to it. The 550EX is a superb flash, but just doesn't have enough ooomph to work over those sorts of distances.

Hopefully you can get up close with something like the 50mm and use the 550ex to get some good shots. If you need any advice on working with flash in these circumstances, drop me a line via my website - you won't always be able to rely on the TTL system and it may need a different approach to get reliable exposures.


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Nov 09, 2004 12:49 |  #8

It can be done. Since they seem to allow you to use a flash, you have some options a lot of boxing photogs don't. If you have a off camera cord, use it to get the flash off axis as much as the cord will allow. If you have the remote capability of a 550ex and st-e2, try that to even get the light more off axis. These can be really creative and cool, if you are allowed to use flash. I have never shot a boxing match were flashes were allowed at ringside.

You need higher ISO and higher shutter speeds. 1/320 would be a minimum, the higher the better. Your camera will allow flash firing above 1/200th if you put the flash in high speed sync mode. At ringside, this should be fine. You will just need a good fill flash and not enough to light the whole room.

Your lighting is not ideal and the poor f/stop on your lens are handicapps, but you should be able to get some creative good work from the equipment you have.


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Nov 09, 2004 13:53 |  #9

psychedelic_never wrote:
Ferox13 wrote:
I thought focusing was a function of the lens - ?

Yes it is, but its the camera who decides where to focus and tell the lens about it. The series 1 bodies have better algorithms and computing power and hence can tell the lens where to focus faster. So the order is sent out faster but the execution depends on the lens in use. Hope that clears your doubt.

FYI, Rob Galbraith did some testing of the 1d2 vs. the 20d. His conclusion was there was barely a difference in ability to focus both quickly and accurately. Check this out.

http://www.robgalbrait​h.com ….asp?cid=7-6458-7153-7161 (external link)


In particular this:
"With f/2.8 or faster lenses, the 20D's centre AF sensor still uses both sets of vertically-oriented pixel arrays, but switches from the inner horizontally-oriented pixel array pair to the more widely-spaced outer pair. This puts the centre AF sensor into high-precision mode, which Canon claims is 3x more precise than the 20D's normal precision mode. We're not sure what 3x more precise should feel like, but can attest to the fact that with both wide angle and telephoto lenses whose maximum aperture is f/2.8, the speed with which the 20D acquires focus using the centre AF sensor, even in dim light, is considerably quicker than the 10D (and gives the EOS-1D Mark II a run for its money also)."


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Nov 09, 2004 15:02 |  #11

The way to go I think.

Maybe get some shots with the 50mm f/1.4, sell the pics (not the lens) and use the cash to buy the 70-200mm L - that way you get to keep the 50mm too!

Just a thought. Good luck!


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That should do the job! Happy shooting!


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