Lightroom - any need for RAW?

Zazoh wrote in post #5234139
Still though, how come camera makers give is one RAW setting, now some cameras have a small RAW, but 9 or so JPG settings. We are obviously comparing large fine JPGs to RAW, but does anyone ever use the other JPGs?

Because RAW is lossless compression (or is it even compressed at all? techs help me out here). JPEG is lossy compression. The choices are there so you can decide how much compression you can live with. The more compression, the more you can hammer down mindlessly without delays between bursts.

Compressing RAW that small (or at all) would defeat the purpose of RAW.

cdifoto wrote in post #5248783
Because RAW is lossless compression (or is it even compressed at all? techs help me out here). JPEG is lossy compression. The choices are there so you can decide how much compression you can live with. The more compression, the more you can hammer down mindlessly without delays between bursts.

Compressing RAW that small (or at all) would defeat the purpose of RAW.

I understand that, my comment was more tongue in cheek. Obviously when we compare JPG to RAW we are comparing to only the largest data JPG. But, camera makers still give all those options plus a print button on the camera to boot. Hmmm, can you print RAW from the camera directly?

Either the camera makers are severly out of touch and don't know what they are doing, or forum types like you and me are? I would think the former because so many of us put our cameras on RAW, M, brightly light white dressed woman and lay on the shutter and sort it out later.

.....oh we don't, am I the only one that test shoots an important event for various lighting settings and hedges certain situations by bracking and chimping the histogram? (Even though I shoot RAW)

Interested, for those that shoot RAW out of 1000 shots, how many shots are you going more than 1 stop in either direction for exposure? For me, once I cull, I'd say 1.

Zazoh wrote in post #5254988
Hmmm, can you print RAW from the camera directly?

I hope you don't wish you could do this.

Zazoh wrote in post #5254988
Either the camera makers are severly out of touch and don't know what they are doing, or forum types like you and me are? I would think the former because so many of us put our cameras on RAW, M, brightly light white dressed woman and lay on the shutter and sort it out later.

What are you even talking about?

Zazoh wrote in post #5254988
am I the only one that test shoots an important event for various lighting settings and hedges certain situations by bracking and chimping the histogram? (Even though I shoot RAW)

I don't always have time for that. It's a blessing if I do, but it's not realistic.

Zazoh wrote in post #5254988
Interested, for those that shoot RAW out of 1000 shots, how many shots are you going more than 1 stop in either direction for exposure? For me, once I cull, I'd say 1.

What difference does this make? Are you trying to give yourself praise for being perfect with your exposures and/or your scenes being rather unchallenging?

cdifoto wrote in post #5255070
I hope you don't wish you could do this.

You don't understand sarcasm?
I don't use print button and don't know anyone that would. But IF you shoot in RAW does the print button work. Just curious.

--What are you even talking about?
Nevermind, hopefully someone got it.

--I don't always have time for that. It's a blessing if I do, but it's not realistic.
Absolutely realistic, what else are you doing with your time? You have time for copious PP no doubt, I don't have time for that. You have time for 17,000+ posts in 3 years.

--What difference does this make? Are you trying to give yourself praise for being perfect with your exposures and/or your scenes being rather unchallenging?
What don't you understand about curiousity? Neither am I perfect nor shoot only in the shade on a sunny day, but I have years of experience at this and a minute of preperation goes a long long way.

I don't know what the acceptable level of bad exposures are, but I've never sat for even minutes to try and save one because I'm aware of what I'm shooting., do others, just curious, it appears I'm the only one. I am in no means saying I'm perfect, in fact I told you how I do it, I chimp and bracket and take time. Things you don't have time for so while I appear to be perfect in your eyes, it is preperation and hard work.

Yes, when I get home, I have a shot with blown highlights, but there will be a better one near by on the filmstrip I can crop and print, so I'm saying out of the keepers I don't mess much with exposures, I don't think that means I'm claiming I'm perfect, If you are photographing a challenging scene bracket and burst away.

Zazoh wrote in post #5257343
You don't understand sarcasm?
I don't use print button and don't know anyone that would. But IF you shoot in RAW does the print button work. Just curious.

--What are you even talking about?
Nevermind, hopefully someone got it.

--I don't always have time for that. It's a blessing if I do, but it's not realistic.
Absolutely realistic, what else are you doing with your time? You have time for copious PP no doubt, I don't have time for that. You have time for 17,000+ posts in 3 years.

--What difference does this make? Are you trying to give yourself praise for being perfect with your exposures and/or your scenes being rather unchallenging?
What don't you understand about curiousity? Neither am I perfect nor shoot only in the shade on a sunny day, but I have years of experience at this and a minute of preperation goes a long long way.

I don't know what the acceptable level of bad exposures are, but I've never sat for even minutes to try and save one because I'm aware of what I'm shooting., do others, just curious, it appears I'm the only one. I am in no means saying I'm perfect, in fact I told you how I do it, I chimp and bracket and take time. Things you don't have time for so while I appear to be perfect in your eyes, it is preperation and hard work.

You speak as though everyone shoots in the same conditions as you.

I can expose properly, and I can make mistakes. I don't always have a chance to chimp and/or bracket every image. Sometimes E-TTL itself can be fooled by something in a scene that I never even saw.

You also can't chimp and bracket and take time for every shot at a wedding. If you do, you're irritating a lot more people than you realize.

Carelessness isn't the same as being realistic that things can and do go amiss at times. I'm not careless, nor are many others.

My post count has nothing to do with this conversation...and when did I ever say I do copious amounts of PP on my images?

And no, I don't think you're perfect. Apparently you do not understand sarcasm.

You're not being curious, you're being condescending.

Zazoh wrote in post #5254988
Interested, for those that shoot RAW out of 1000 shots, how many shots are you going more than 1 stop in either direction for exposure? For me, once I cull, I'd say 1.

It depends on the conditions.

On my last outing, I took a few hundred shots at the Goodwood race circuit. Despite slightly variable lighting, I don't think I had to compensate exposure in post more than +/- 0.3EV. The camera seemed to be struggling with white balance as the light changed, however, so it was still useful to be shooting RAW as it made it easier to compensate.

The occasion before that involved taking pics at a small opera production (where my wife was singing). The stage was partially lit by spotlights, some of which were aimed by hand, and the performers were constantly moving in and out of the spots. On this occasion, I had a quite a number of shots that needed major exposure compensation. For this occasion I was seriously glad that I had shot RAW!

cdifoto wrote in post #5257368
You're not being curious, you're being condescending.

Hi Pot I'm Kettle. Wasn't my intention. Without visual clues written text is often mis-interpreted.

I also realize the world isn't black and white, and not all shooting conditions warrant the same treatment. I'm using examples for illistrative purposes trying to talk about photography.

I shoot RAW, mostly, just in case. I came to this thread becuase I'm interested in knowing why other folks do or do not, to learn. But when I see someone, and I don't even know at this point who, it wasn't you, chastise others for NOT using RAW, well, I try to balance the conversation.

To say one should only shoot RAW is as dumb as saying one should only shoot JPG. The world is gray, about 18% nothing is as easy or hard as it is explained.

That's because in your next post you express Auto white balance works fine for you when in this post it obviously doesn't. If you shot daylight etc, you could adjust one image and sync the rest to the same settings saving yourself the work. Auto WB can change for every shot no matter what he light source.

See?

You might be able to open a 256 colour gif file in lightroom, that doesn't mean you have the ability to process like a raw file.

Isn't that Polar?

How about showing us rather than just saying lots do it. I'd like to see it and learn something.

If you like to shoot jpg and let the camera do your processing good on ya. Many of us prefer the control and tonal quality of 12bit and 16bit files.