Why Nikon is Killing Canon

For me at least..

- Auto ISO - On most of their camera models
- Built-in Wireless Transmitter for flash units - Seen this for the first time today on a D200. No need for ST-E2!
- Live View on D300 - I didn't believe my buddy when he said his Nikon had live view because I thought that's one of canon's "awesome" new inventions.
- High ISO performance - Already caught up with Canon!
- There are soo many more things you can fine tune and tweak, you can truely fine tune everything. Canon you have to rely on post process.
- Affordability - D200 is only like $1000 used now if not cheaper and I hate to say it but It has more features than my $2800 1D Mark IIN.


dammit don't know what to do, i'm fighting to stick with canon...

So switch. I can't see how the things you mentioned are causing nikon to be killing Canon.

PAFC2004 wrote in post #5275871
So switch. I can't see how the things you mentioned are causing nikon to be killing Canon.

I should just sell my 1d and get a 30d, it basically does the same exact things. Yeah 1d has faster burst rate, better tracking and autofocus, better iso performance, +/- 1ev, other than that what else it's basically the same. Go through the menu on both cameras and basically the same.

Go through the menu on a nikon and you will see some crazy features you wouldn't know where to start.

Also, why does canon not have a focus assist light on any of their cameras?? Not much of a "feature" but jesus, every little thing helps.

Basically the same? Right.

Adaptive wrote in post #5275890
Yeah 1d has faster burst rate, better tracking and autofocus, better iso performance, +/- 1ev,

Because none of that stuff is important when it comes to actually taking photos aye

Do you want a camera or a gadget?

It sounds like Nikon might be winning the gadget war, but is just keeping up with Canon in the camera war.

Adaptive wrote in post #5275859
For me at least..

- Auto ISO - On most of their camera models
- Built-in Wireless Transmitter for flash units - Seen this for the first time today on a D200. No need for ST-E2!
- Live View on D300 - I didn't believe my buddy when he said his Nikon had live view because I thought that's one of canon's "awesome" new inventions.
- High ISO performance - Already caught up with Canon!
- There are soo many more things you can fine tune and tweak, you can truely fine tune everything. Canon you have to rely on post process.
- Affordability - D200 is only like $1000 used now if not cheaper and I hate to say it but It has more features than my $2800 1D Mark IIN.

dammit don't know what to do, i'm fighting to stick with canon...

awww... you just try D200/D300 and already fell in love? try out the D3 then you will not come back to this forum.

btw, the Auto ISO is really fark up. You take a picture in a BRIGHT sunny day and they bump the iso to 6400.

Moppie wrote in post #5275905
Because none of that stuff is important when it comes to actually taking photos aye

Do you want a camera or a gadget?

It sounds like Nikon might be winning the gadget war, but is just keeping up with Canon in the camera war.

Never said that stuff wasn't important. Just saying with such a significant price difference. Plus not to mention 30d is consumer camera 1D is pro body there should be more features. Built-in wireless to trigger flashes would be nice and probably easy to include, also something as stupid as a focus assist light would be great to have. Basically what I'm saying is that they are different but basically the same. I'm sure even the 1dmk3 doesn't have an assist light and built-in wireless. Canon is just a big money making machine, they say screw the consumer, make them buy the ST-E2.

Brand new D300 cheaper than used 5D!! haha!
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore the 5D but jeez, this just goes to show you that nikon is not a money mongler like canon.

1D MKIII came out at $4,600 then within a month it value dropped to $3,500!

wow

There is one good thing I have to say about canon though, canon forum - POTN is great, I took a gander over at Nikon Cafe and wow what a snore fest.

Well...you've presented a compelling argument....to do absolutely nothing. Switch to Noink if you are so inclined. Just remember that regardless of the name on the front, they are just cameras, not some magic device that is going to take your skills to a whole new level instantly. Good luck with your decision.

Bubble wrote in post #5275954
awww... you just try D200/D300 and already fell in love? try out the D3 then you will not come back to this forum.

btw, the Auto ISO is really fark up. You take a picture in a BRIGHT sunny day and they bump the iso to 6400.

Didn't you make the switch? What made you do it?
How difficult was it to switch over?

Yup, I think you should switch. one less Canon sale and the retail price might come down 0.000000091 cents. Like you said, every little bit helps.

Adaptive wrote in post #5275968
Didn't you make the switch? What made you do it?
How difficult was it to switch over?

i didn't switch. I'm in BOTH land now. Since i'm in both world, let me share something i saw with you.

1. Nikon lens is much harder to resell.
2. Canon has more prime lens such as f/1.2 and f/1.4 compare to Nikon
3. Nikon D2Xs comes out just about a year and now the price is dropping more than 50%. No one wants to buy it at $2000 while the cost to buy it around $4500.

Woolburr wrote in post #5275965
Well...you've presented a compelling argument....to do absolutely nothing. Switch to Noink if you are so inclined. Just remember that regardless of the name on the front, they are just cameras, not some magic device that is going to take your skills to a whole new level instantly. Good luck with your decision.

Yeah to tell the truth I could care less about the "name brand" I just want something with features and bells and whistles if I'm paying good money. Seeing that built-in wireless today blew my mind! The flash used wasn't even a high end SB800 or even an SB600, it was some basic flash, probably one of the lower end Nikon flashes. If canon ever included built-in wireless I guarantee that it would only be compatible with the 580exMKIII or newer model so everyone would have to once again continue to feed the greedy people overseas.

Also Nikon flashes come with the little sto-fen diffuser that is made for the flash, and the flashes come with the little holder to hold an extra AA battery. I think you can get one for canon also for an extra $50. Not that things like this are important to me, I'm just using it as an example of how Nikon is not full of money grubbers like Canon.

I'm sure Nikon has it's downfalls like noise performance and... slower tracking and auto focus?? Or do they have these downfalls.... Interesting...

Bubble wrote in post #5275996
i didn't switch. I'm in BOTH land now. Since i'm in both world, let me share something i saw with you.

1. Nikon lens is much harder to resell.

Is there a reason for this? And this would be good for someone looking to buy used gear right? I could get the lenses that I want far cheaper than new price? I do see this as a major downfall, but I'm sure nikon doesn't make mkII versions of all it's glass just about every other year like canon does, if they did I'm sure used lenses would be easier to resell. I bet in 2008 or 2009 there will be a canon 70-200 f/2.8L IS mk2 or 24-70 f/2.8L mk2. Anyone willing to take bets?

Bubble wrote in post #5275996
2. Canon has more prime lens such as f/1.2 and f/1.4 compare to Nikon

Honestly.. How often do you shoot at 1.0 and 1.2?

Bubble wrote in post #5275996
3. Nikon D2Xs comes out just about a year and now the price is dropping more than 50%. No one wants to buy it at $2000 while the cost to buy it around $4500.

Yeah that's pretty bad, worse than the mk3 shenanigans that canon pulled. Well the D300 and D3 were huge blows to the market. That's better than Canon releasing their flagship camera then having a big OOPS cause a huge drop in value... At least the D2Xs kept it's value longer than 5-6 months and didn't fall in value because of manufacturer defect...

hehehe...try to sell all of your Canon and switch to Nikon. We will wait for you to come back to Canon in a VERY short time.

Bubble wrote in post #5276067
hehehe...try to sell all of your Canon and switch to Nikon. We will wait for you to come back to Canon in a VERY short time.

heh

Nah, I do love my canon toys still, my results are not less than expected so I guess I have no real reason to switch.
But maybe I'll sell my gf's 30D then get her a D200 and help her build a Nikon collection so I can be like you.