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jaisai01
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Nov 17, 2004 23:27 |  #1

looking to find out what all i need to mount my 420 on a bracket when i shoot formals and so forth.
i know i need the off shoe cord
a bracket....
what else.. any other help would be great. thanks
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Nov 17, 2004 23:30 |  #2

You could get the Canon flash controller thingy and do it all without cables...and give yourself the flexibility to put the flash just about anyhere...on or off the camera.




  
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Nov 17, 2004 23:37 |  #3

since im only using the 420 i dont think the throw is enough. but what kind of bracket should i get. is more of the ?


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Nov 18, 2004 01:57 |  #4

jaisai01 wrote:
since im only using the 420 i dont think the throw is enough. but what kind of bracket should i get. is more of the ?

What do you mean "the throw is [not] enough"? As in you need more light? A flash bracket won't add light it will just position the flash higher for more natural looking shadows (from above like the sun), less chance of red eye, and usually a less flattened picture (typical of shoots where the flash is really close to the lens).

If you want the bracket to get more light I think you are out of luck.

As far as what you need, it is just the bracket and the off shoe cord, you can [as mentioned above] replace the off shoe cord with the st-e2 and let it control the flash wirelessly.


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Nov 18, 2004 06:03 |  #5

There are many brackets available from Stroboframe, Bogen-Manfrotto, Really Right Stuff, Kirk, Custom, Lindahl, Newton, etc. They can get very expensive. Your best bet is to start off with something from Stroboframe or this one from Bogen http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …ails&Q=&sku=278​249&is=REG (external link)
If you find you are doing alot of flash work, you can upgrade later.
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Nov 18, 2004 07:34 |  #6

Be sure to buy a genuine Canon cable to connect your camera to the flash on your new bracket. I used an after market cord and found at the worst possible time (a wedding) that my 1Dmk2 wouldnt talk properly with my 550ex flash.!




  
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Nov 18, 2004 08:33 |  #7

the bogen bracket you have shown me, will that work with my grip on . and also when the camera is vertical will it position it self for vertical shots. thanks
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Nov 18, 2004 09:01 |  #8

jaisai01 wrote:
the bogen bracket you have shown me, will that work with my grip on . and also when the camera is vertical will it position it self for vertical shots. thanks
arul

The Bogen bracket will work with a grip. It is not as easy to switch to portrait from landscape as the others, so if you plan on changing orientation alot pick one of the others. Some flip the flash, others rotate the camera.
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Nov 18, 2004 09:05 |  #9

basically i want to mount the camera to a tripod and then have the bracket also.. which i hope will work. im jsut going to be taking pictures in a vertical mode. will this work. no changing will be needed..
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Nov 18, 2004 09:27 |  #10

jaisai01 wrote:
basically i want to mount the camera to a tripod and then have the bracket also.. which i hope will work. im jsut going to be taking pictures in a vertical mode. will this work. no changing will be needed..
thanks
arul

If you want a bracket that will let you mount your camera to a tripod in the vertical position you either need to buy an L bracket or a flash bracket that rotates the camera like the Stroboframe Pro RL.
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Nov 18, 2004 16:21 |  #11

scott,
would you mind giving me a link to where i can purchase the L bracket type or the other one you mentioned.. thanks
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Nov 18, 2004 16:31 |  #12

scottbergerphoto wrote:
If you want a bracket that will let you mount your camera to a tripod in the vertical position you either need to buy an L bracket or a flash bracket that rotates the camera like the Stroboframe Pro RL.
Scott

Scott, my tripod has a normal pan-tilt head with quick release, and the head will "flop" to one side as necessary.

I mount one quick release on the camera body, or else I mount one quick release on the flash bracket (which also holds the flash unit).

With this, I can attach or detach in a hurry, and I can flop the head to shoot vertically from the tripod. No L bracket.

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Nov 18, 2004 17:08 |  #13

You may also want to get a bouncer or softbox ... I have the Lumiquest Pocket Bouncer, works great, but there may be others that you should look at.

It's always nice to have when needed, if you do a lot of flash shots.

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Nov 18, 2004 21:19 |  #14

robertwgross wrote:
scottbergerphoto wrote:
If you want a bracket that will let you mount your camera to a tripod in the vertical position you either need to buy an L bracket or a flash bracket that rotates the camera like the Stroboframe Pro RL.
Scott

Scott, my tripod has a normal pan-tilt head with quick release, and the head will "flop" to one side as necessary.

I mount one quick release on the camera body, or else I mount one quick release on the flash bracket (which also holds the flash unit).

With this, I can attach or detach in a hurry, and I can flop the head to shoot vertically from the tripod. No L bracket.

---Bob Gross---

What happens to your flash when you flop the camera on its side Bob?
In addition, I dont like the awkwardness of the camera with the tripod head turned on its side. The camera likes to try to droop down. Kirk and RRS (Really Right Stuff) make very nice L brackets. If you buy a camera rotator type flash bracket, you don't need an L bracket. You mount the bracket to the tripod head.
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Nov 18, 2004 21:44 |  #15

scottbergerphoto wrote:
What happens to your flash when you flop the camera on its side Bob?
In addition, I dont like the awkwardness of the camera with the tripod head turned on its side. The camera likes to try to droop down. Kirk and RRS (Really Right Stuff) make very nice L brackets. If you buy a camera rotator type flash bracket, you don't need an L bracket. You mount the bracket to the tripod head.

Well, my flash is on the bracket, and it is a flip-type bracket, so if I flip the camera over to vertical (to the right), I flip the flash to vertical (to up).

I've never sensed any awkwardness of the camera on the tripod that way. To each, his own, I guess.

My bracket is on a QR onto the tripod head.

I was shooting a wedding alongside a Nikon shooter, and his rotating camera bracket thingy was getting in the way of all of the Pocket Wizards and other crap hanging around there when he had to suddenly change a lens. That may have been only a user problem.

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