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The nifty fifty bokeh "problems"

 
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Nov 20, 2004 21:06 |  #16

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the 50 1.8 has a 5 blade diaphragm.... it is expected that the bokeh is not as smooth as a lens with a circular diaphragm.

You have point there...............yo​u guys should try it with a star shaped cutout over the front of the lens, it looks awsome.

Post a sample.

I took it with film, but I will hook it up tonight and post them tommorow.



  
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Nov 20, 2004 21:19 |  #17

Cool. I've wanted to putz with cutouts, but just don't have the time.


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Nov 20, 2004 22:07 |  #18

I couldn't find it, but here is an example of something quick I made..I didn't have anything good to shoot, so I present you my out of focus modem. I think my star was too big, that why the ends are cut off, but who cares.

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Nov 21, 2004 01:01 |  #19

The 50mm f/1.8 MkII can produce some ugly bokeh indeed in some occasions :

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Personally, I'm trying to keep the background uniform, without any bright spots / high contrast changes if possible.

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Nov 21, 2004 03:51 |  #20

Olegis wrote:
The 50mm f/1.8 MkII can produce some ugly bokeh indeed in some occasions

yeah, it turned your portrait of the lovely girl into a multicoloured hairy beast - yeah those 3 extra blades really make a difference!!


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Nov 21, 2004 08:34 |  #21

what is bokeh?


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Nov 21, 2004 09:56 |  #22

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yeah, it turned your portrait of the lovely girl into a multicoloured hairy beast - yeah those 3 extra blades really make a difference!!

No.

But the human's eye focuses on the sharp objects of the picture. The bokeh is sharp and therefore distracts, thus making the overall picture less dramatic and less interesting.


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Nov 21, 2004 10:19 |  #23

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what does meh mean?

If we look it up in the Acme dictionary, it means the audible sound of a roadrunner bird. "Meh, meh."

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Nov 21, 2004 10:23 |  #24

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what is bokeh?

It's sort of a Japanese term for the unfocused blur that sets the mood of the background. To some, it is the shape of the points of light. To others, it is the density of the points of light. But it sets a mood to the background.

It is often created by the structure of the diaphragm of the lens aperture. So, some good lenses are known to help create "good bokeh" and mirror lenses are known to help create "weird bokeh."

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Nov 21, 2004 10:25 |  #25

mr.photoguy wrote:
what is bokeh?

The out of focus area in photo - good bokeh is smooth, natural, off focus colors blend without oddities and bright spots do not blur as donuts or clearly multifaceted circles. Bokeh changes with aperture - this change can be read in MTF graphs.

And bokeh is not only background blur. Actually even more important is to have good bokeh on foreground :)

Here are couple of examples of good bokeh in front and back (85/1.2L, upper photo f/1.2 and lower f/3.2)

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Nov 21, 2004 10:42 |  #26

Persian-Rice wrote:
I couldn't find it, but here is an example of something quick I made..I didn't have anything good to shoot, so I present you my out of focus modem. I think my star was too big, that why the ends are cut off, but who cares.

That's interesting!!!
I would like to see the results of a more expensive lens on the same thing.


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Nov 21, 2004 11:05 |  #27

evilenglishman wrote:
Persian-Rice wrote:
I couldn't find it, but here is an example of something quick I made..I didn't have anything good to shoot, so I present you my out of focus modem. I think my star was too big, that why the ends are cut off, but who cares.

That's interesting!!!
I would like to see the results of a more expensive lens on the same thing.

Same result..............



  
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Nov 21, 2004 11:45 |  #28

oh, what is the point of then?


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Nov 21, 2004 12:18 |  #29

dependent on lens quality and such, you can get creamy smooth bokeh to bokeh where circles turn into multifaceted shapes and such. sorta like in those old movies where they just unfocus and it turns into a hexagon or something.

you want it smooth so you draw attention to the subject vs the weird distortions in the background.


However, another form of photography is intentional blurring of background such as with pictures in cityscapes. what photographers do is just zoom in as close as they can with nothing in the camera, and the background blurs up and gives you these interesting shapes and stuff. it's really cool. too bad i don't quite have an example for you.

Something else you might want to consider is that with a larger aperture lens, the bokeh is increased back and foregrounds. the areas just become so much more blurred than before, it's also more pronounced with regular lenses when you focus up close because the focal plane is vastly reduced.

I think bokeh is way more interesting with Canon's TS-E lenses.

the 90mm would offer some interesting work because you can modify that plane of focus to go across your image diagonally and stuff and that really leads to some creative work as your medium is much more flexible. then again, for ~1000 new, it better help you out. :)


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Nov 21, 2004 13:28 |  #30

DocFrankenstein wrote:
blackviolet wrote:
yeah, it turned your portrait of the lovely girl into a multicoloured hairy beast

No.

But the human's eye focuses on the sharp objects of the picture. The bokeh is sharp and therefore distracts, thus making the overall picture less dramatic and less interesting.

yes, i know exactly what he is saying - check out the massive pentagonal highlights at the back right. i totally agree the boken is harsh and undesireable.


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