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Are these pics overexposed? I thought I was doing good.

 
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Apr 14, 2008 14:13 |  #16

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vetkrazy, when you are shooting the players in a sport what part of the players body do you focus on? I also try and shoot at 2.8 in baseball and soccer but find I lose the tight sharpness. If I focus on the player's face I typically get too much dead space above the player. Any suggestions?

I don't have a "one size fits all" answer. It is kind of different stokes for different sports.

Baseball/Softball: For batter I try to set focus on the face, lock it with CF4-3 then recompose for the shot. I normally do this as the pitcher starts their motion. If I plan to follow the batter out of the box I thumb over to focus and grab a major part of their body, chest, etc. I normally use center point whether I am vertical or horizontal.

Soccer: Here the level you are shooting makes a difference. College is much faster then AYSO. For college I normally shoot vertical with center point and target the chest area. This is were DOF works for you. A 30D at 200mm, f/2.8 and the subject 25 feet away your DOF for sharpness is 6 inches. Thats 3'' in front and 3'' in back. But move the subject to 75 feet and the DOF becomes 4.5 feet, 2 plus either way. So on a soccer pitch with most of the action 50-100 feet from you, focusing on the chest should give you a sharp picture. If you shoot raw you can check your focus point with Zoombrowser. Focusing on the face is always desirable but not always possible or practical. A 1 series, 300mm at 100 feet has DOF of 4.3 feet, more than enough for a sharp shot.

Volleyball: A horse of a different color here. When I shoot vertical I use the the far right point and horizontal at the net, top center.

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Apr 14, 2008 14:44 |  #17

Nice tips Bruce. What about the pitcher? My 1dmk2 is at Canon so I wa susing 30d for softball with 70-200mm f2.8 non IS. I had focus issues using AI servo and f2.8 for pitcher shots from the side.


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Apr 14, 2008 15:49 |  #18

Pitchers are a little different. If they are not a side armer you can use their hip or lower chest. You can not lock focus because their stride will take you out of the hyperfocal area.

Below is the fourth shot in a seven shot sequence. MK2 N, 300mm, ISO 200, f/2.8, 1/8000. At the distance I was shooting ( @100 feet) my hyperfocal area was about 2 feet in front and 2 feet behind.


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Apr 14, 2008 16:55 |  #19

vetkrazy wrote in post #5326807 (external link)
I am always surprised when I hear this. I would agree that if the light is constant and you don't change the lens position in relation to the sun, TV or M will work just fine. The problem I have with TV is that as the light changes it will close down your shutter to compensate and the last thing I want is that background coming into focus. I always shoot wide open ( f/2.8 ) for sports, so that means AV or M. Since I shoot at many stadiums and fields that have stands that shade the home plate area but leave the infield and outfield bathed in bright sun, M does not cut it. Before the game starts I meter three areas: home plate, infield and outfield. I adjust my ISO to keep my shutter fast enough at home but not to fast to blow out the infield/outfield. During the game, every couple of innings I do a quick check to make sure my setting are still okay. Late afternoon, twilight games are another story, constant juggling! Besides baseball and softball I shoot track and field, tennis, cross country, football and soccer all in AV.

When you say you meter the areas, do you handheld spot meter as the game is going on or do you use the meter on the camera?




  
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Apr 14, 2008 17:04 |  #20

I use the camera meter. Take several test shot and check the histogram. Almost all of my shooting is done in the high desert area which means bright cloudless skies about 95% of the time. It is just about impossible not to get some whites blown out while trying to keep faces properly exposed.


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Apr 14, 2008 17:44 as a reply to  @ vetkrazy's post |  #21

As much as you might think you're doing "good", you'd be better off doing "well".

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Apr 14, 2008 20:47 |  #22

Well thanks so much for all the comments. I'm going to try again on Saturday in AV and wide open to see what my keepers are. I'll post again.

Thanks again,
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Apr 14, 2008 21:25 |  #23

vetkrazy wrote in post #5328168 (external link)
Pitchers are a little different. If they are not a side armer you can use their hip or lower chest. You can not lock focus because their stride will take you out of the hyperfocal area.

Bruce

Thanks a lot man. Appreciate your help.


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Apr 14, 2008 21:39 |  #24

just my two cents, but i don't think the original pictures are that overexposed. I would have personally dialed them down a bit, but not much.

Granted it depends on what the end will be. 90% of my clients are buying prints. ...that being the case i always overexpose by 1/3 to 1/2 exposure. Any pictures off a display are back lit and will always look brighter than their printed counterparts. A hard lesson learned when i started selling on line.


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Apr 14, 2008 22:45 |  #25

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Apr 15, 2008 20:00 |  #26

Looking at your first picture, it's definitely overexposed. Your EXIF shows ISO 640, f/7.1, and 1/1600. If you were in manual mode using the Sunny 16 Rule, your shutter speed for ISO 640 and f/7.1 should have been 1/3200. (Sunny 16: shutter speed= 1/ISO @ f/16) So, 1/640 @ f/16= 1/3200 @ f/7.1).

The other guys here are right, you should have never used such a high ISO on such a beautiful, sunny day. For those shots, I would have used ISO 200, f/4, 1/3200. These settings also follow the Sunny 16 Rule. I'd look att he Histogram and make finer adjustments based off of that. Trust me, manual exposure using the Sunny 16 Rule really does work.

Also, no one mentioned here shooting in RAW. This can be a life-saver and is highly reccomended.


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Apr 15, 2008 20:15 |  #27

I'm such a doh-doh for not checking my ISO. Thanks to all of you guys for your comments and I'm going to try again this Saturday. Two games to shoot so hopefully I will have better results.

While I have all of your attention....how is the composition? Catching the good action shots are always a struggle for me.

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