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Apr 15, 2008 00:51 |  #1

hey there guy's, got a question for all of you. im going to an air show next month here in rockford il... now i just bought a 70-200mm f/4 L Lens. you guy's think this lens will be good enough for air show or do i need a longer focal lens?.... and what kind of filter do i need to use? ..... thank you all for your time:)


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Apr 15, 2008 00:53 |  #2

That should be good lens for the airshow .


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Apr 15, 2008 00:56 |  #3

I might want a longer focal length (100-400mm maybe) but I would just rent the lens.
The 70-200 will be nice, but you MIGHT want a longer focal length, I have never been to\shot an air show, so idk... Take my suggestions with a grain of salt!


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Apr 15, 2008 01:00 |  #4

QX56 wrote in post #5331314 (external link)
That should be good lens for the airshow .

this is my first air show, so i really dont know if my lens would work. but i got a cheap 70-300 mm lens it's promaster : ( i'll bring it anyways buy youguy's got any idea what filter do i need? cuz it's really gonna be sunny that day (i hope so) thanks for the reply.


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Apr 15, 2008 01:01 |  #5

Tumeg wrote in post #5331324 (external link)
I might want a longer focal length (100-400mm maybe) but I would just rent the lens.
The 70-200 will be nice, but you MIGHT want a longer focal length, I have never been to\shot an air show, so idk... Take my suggestions with a grain of salt!

300mm lens would be alright right?


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Apr 15, 2008 01:02 |  #6

Not long enough, even on a crop sensor.

I shot an airshow with a 20D and 70-200 f/2.8 L IS with a 2x extender. That was long enough but I would not recommend using the 2x extender. It's to soft and increases CA. The 1.4x would be better would not be as long. 200 with a 1.4x would be the shortest I'd go.




  
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Apr 15, 2008 01:05 |  #7

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Not long enough, even on a crop sensor.

I shot an airshow with a 20D and 70-200 f/2.8 L IS with a 2x extender. That was long enough but I would not recommend using the 2x extender. It's to soft and increases CA. The 1.4x would be better would not be as long. 200 with a 1.4x would be the shortest I'd go.

thanks gooble, any brand of extender would you recomend and how much? the 2x extender without the IS on my lens would be ok... im worried about my picture gonna be blurry.


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Apr 15, 2008 01:14 |  #8

For an airshow in the US held at a mid-sized airport like Rockford, I'd say you're probably gonna want a bit more reach than 200mm. Even the effective FOV you get from a crop body is only out to 320mm.

Aircraft flying by will be over 1000' feet away when passing show center. I'd give some thought to renting a 100-400 or a 400 f/5.6 for the weekend.

400mm on a crop body will yield an effective FOV of 640mm .. Now that's some resolving power!


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Apr 15, 2008 01:24 |  #9

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For an airshow in the US held at a mid-sized airport like Rockford, I'd say you're probably gonna want a bit more reach than 200mm. Even the effective FOV you get from a crop body is only out to 320mm.

Aircraft flying by will be over 1000' feet away when passing show center. I'd give some thought to renting a 100-400 or a 400 f/5.6 for the weekend.

400mm on a crop body will yield an effective FOV of 640mm .. Now that's some resolving power!

wow thank you for your insight : ) thats great!!! i might rent one or i'll buy a 2x extender...and you are right it's not a big airport. but still like what you said it's like 1000 feet away. thanks flyingphotog.


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Apr 15, 2008 01:36 |  #10

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wow thank you for your insight : ) thats great!!! i might rent one or i'll buy a 2x extender...and you are right it's not a big airport. but still like what you said it's like 1000 feet away. thanks flyingphotog.

FWIW, the in flight shots taken here...

http://www.pbase.com/f​lyingphotog/avnation07 (external link)

...were shot with a 100-400 on a 20D and still required at least a little cropping (approx by 1/3) to get "up close and personal."

However, this was shot on a 20D with a 70-200 f/2.8L IS and a 1.4x TC.

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Difference being, I was standing right next to the runway at a "fly in" for this one...something you can't do at a more structured airshow.

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Apr 15, 2008 01:43 |  #11

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #5331477 (external link)
FWIW, the in flight shots taken here...

http://www.pbase.com/f​lyingphotog/avnation07 (external link)

...were shot with a 100-400 on a 20D and still required at least a little cropping (approx by 1/3) to get "up close and personal."

However, this was shot on a 20D with a 70-200 f/2.8L IS and a 1.4x TC.
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Difference being, I was standing right next to the runway at a "fly in" for this one...something you can't do at a more structured airshow.

man that's a great shot : ) is the 1.4x extender would work great on a non IS lens like mine (man i wish i bought the IS version) but i will take your advise. love your site by the way.


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Apr 15, 2008 01:50 |  #12

Thanks muchly...

I've got some for sale too at the Zenfolio link...


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Apr 15, 2008 01:57 |  #13

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #5331523 (external link)
Thanks muchly...

I've got some for sale too at the Zenfolio link...

ok thanks: )


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Apr 15, 2008 03:44 |  #14

punkzappa wrote in post #5331432 (external link)
wow thank you for your insight : ) thats great!!! i might rent one or i'll buy a 2x extender...and you are right it's not a big airport. but still like what you said it's like 1000 feet away. thanks flyingphotog.

I've rented the Canon 2x and I own the Canon 1.4x. I've used the 1.4x on a 70-200 f/4, 400 f/5.6 and 300 f/4 and it is superb. You'll hardly know it's there if at all.

I don't recommend the 2x extender, at least on the lenses I mentioned. It is best, as I've read on the Canon L prime telephotos, not on lesser lenses as it degrades quality too much for many peoples taste; YMMV.

I'd look into renting a 100-400 or 400 f/5.6 like someone mentioned as those will give you better pics than the 70-200 with 2x. The 10-400 will give you more versatility especially if there are static displays you want to shoot.




  
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Apr 15, 2008 03:53 |  #15

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thanks gooble, any brand of extender would you recomend and how much? the 2x extender without the IS on my lens would be ok... im worried about my picture gonna be blurry.

I would shoot 1/800 - 1/1600 depending on conditions which can give you apertures of 5.6-8 and ISO's 200-400. Tht's where I'd try to stay. At those shutter speeds you should be ok for camera shake. Panning IS may be a help. I've used it and was glad it was there but I don't think it's necessary.

Remember IS only mitigates camera shake and cannot help subject motion. You'll have to track planes by panning and then shoot. The way you'll get sharp shots is to pan smoothly and to keep a high shutter speed.




  
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