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Apr 09, 2014 11:04 |  #10336

If anyone is interested, I have a set of 4 rigpro booms pickup in Toronto area, $225 for the set. Thanks!


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Apr 09, 2014 23:06 |  #10337

Here is my first attempt at a rig shot. Shot using my RigPro boom (Thanks again Andrew!). Critiques are much appreciated. To be honest with myself, the clone job is kind of sloppy, it could use a more interesting background, and it sure is hurting for a sky replacement but those things aside I am fairly happy with it for my first attempt! It is a single 2 second exposure.


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Apr 09, 2014 23:30 |  #10338

Looks good to me, especially for your first time. I'd PS the levels to bring out a bit more contrast and detail but still nice. what lens did you use?


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Apr 09, 2014 23:40 as a reply to  @ GTR3451's post |  #10339

It was shot with a tamron 17-50 at 17mm and the full length of my 20 foot boom. Could still use some more room in my opinion!




  
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Apr 10, 2014 08:39 |  #10340

Fantastic first shot man, seriously! You already know what to change next time, just work on all the bits, keep rigging, and you'll figure out what looks coolest soon enough!


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Apr 10, 2014 21:58 as a reply to  @ VisualEchos's post |  #10341

Without digging back through all the ridiculous number of pages here does anyone have any tips for blurring reflections in a masked stationary shot? I took a stationary to get good focus/exposure etc. and I am trying to mask in the stationary part to the rigged background and wheels but its on a black car and even though I was using a polarizer the reflections are awwwffuullll!




  
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Apr 10, 2014 23:32 |  #10342

My tip is to use better equipment or better technique (or both) to get the blurry reflections naturally. :)


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Apr 11, 2014 01:08 as a reply to  @ VisualEchos's post |  #10343

Well I was using your boom....lol. :-P I seemed to be getting a lot of bounce/flex in the boom (even though I was pulling the car) which caused my rolling shots to be blurry so I wanted to try and use the in focus body of the car from the static shot but the reflections obviously don't look right.

What could be causing excessive bounce or movement in the boom? I had one suction cup on the front window and one on the back window with the clamps pointing in towards each other. I was using the boom close to its full length but not completely. I did have my magic arm on the very end, can this cause excessive bounce? Is there a trick I am missing or is it just literally down to trial and error?

Oh well, I guess I will have to chalk this one up to a learning experience and look into building that cable support for the boom. I tried to blend the reflections using blur and smear but I am still not very happy with how it came out. They could use some more touch up here and there but its pretty late (or early depending on how you look at it) and I have to get some sleep. Posting them up anyway to see if anybody has any creative ideas to blend the reflections better.

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Heres one of the 2 second exposures so you can see what I mean as well. Its not completely off, just enough though that its not really good enough to use...

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Apr 11, 2014 12:43 |  #10344

It's never one thing. It could be the surface. It could be that the cups weren't spread out far enough, I've seen that a LOT. It could be bad technique. Or a little of all 3. Basically, it's not the boom. I can show you hundreds of sharp shots with this exact boom...and no stabilizer.

However, stabilizers won't hurt! If you would like to build one, I can give you a parts list! I think it comes down to getting used to rigging, and getting used to doing all the right things.

BTW: I have used this boom at 28-feet, and at 30 seconds and gotten sharp shots. 20-feet/4-seconds should easily work, but again, there are MANY factors to consider.

P.S. It doesn't matter that your Magic Arm isn't all the way at the end, but why wouldn't you put it there? Get all the length you can!


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Apr 11, 2014 15:00 |  #10345

VisualEchos wrote in post #16826508 (external link)
Get all the length you can!

TWSS....


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Apr 11, 2014 15:12 |  #10346

Haha, yes she did! lol

I remember Ste Ho and I talking, years ago, about the Magic-Arm, and how we both put it at the very end, and then pull it backwards to get more length haha.

I use a 28" extension now though, a lot of times, there is less adjustment, but the boom is sooooo much easier to edit out.

Like this, only longer, so the boom is even smaller.

IMAGE: http://visualechos.smugmug.com/Other/Rig-Pro/i-bP2TTCN/0/L/24%20in%20difference-L.jpg

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Apr 11, 2014 16:10 as a reply to  @ VisualEchos's post |  #10347

Just to be clear Andrew I wasn't blaming the boom at all! I know that's definitely not the problem. I mean the first shot I posted was the same exact set up and turned out great. I was just a little disappointed when I couldn't duplicate the results the second time.I was just looking for other possible causes. I had the cups spread probably a good 3.5-4 feet apart over the roof of the car so I don't think t could be that. I also did the same thing with the magic arm, all the way at the end of the boom and then stretched backwards for more length. Like I said before, guess I'll chalk this one up to a learning experience! Thanks for all the help!




  
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Apr 11, 2014 16:17 |  #10348

Just go through the steps, your next one will be sharp, promise.

- select the smoothest surface you can
- spread the cups out as far as humanly possible, like 5-8 feet, get creative with the mounting
- pull the car with a cable (and remember, forward or backwards means nothing in rig-shots)
- 2-second shots for the ground, wheels, and car in general - 4-6 second shots for the background
- multiple shots

If you are still having an issue, I'll sell you a stabilizer cable at cost. One way or another, we're going to get you sharp :).


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Apr 11, 2014 16:24 as a reply to  @ NKZY's post |  #10349

to get steadier shots, I attach one end of a strap to my camera and add some tension to the boom. This helps to dampen the oscillations inherent in the boom. additionally, don't use the entire car from the static shot. Just mask in the pieces of it that help make the car look sharp; pieces like the badges, panel edges, headlights, etc. the rest of it can come from the moving shot to give the blurred reflections.


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Apr 11, 2014 21:11 |  #10350

I have no idea what you guys are doing to get soft shots, maybe not taking enough photo's? I usually come away with 100 or so, everything from 2 seconds to 8 seconds, f18 to f11. But IIRC, most all of them are sharp. Maybe you guys are going too fast? All you need to do is CREEP (song about that somewhere). Seriously, however slow you're going it's probably not slow enough.


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