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lildexmom
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Apr 25, 2008 05:15 |  #1

I want to buy a speedlite and a ST-E2 so that I can get it off the camera for portraits and I also want to be able to use a softbox or umbrella for softening/controlling the light. Eventually I want to buy two speedlights I know one of these lights will be a 580EX ll - I am not sure if I should also buy a 430EX or second 580EX ll.

My delima is should I start with the 430EX and ST-E2 for about $450 and learn with that combo? Can I use the 430EX as a key light along with a difuser? OR should I go ahead and add $200 more to the bill and start with the 580EX ll and a ST-E2? Will there be that big of a difference between these to lights if I could only have one speedlite to work/learn with?


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Apr 25, 2008 07:06 |  #2

lildexmom wrote in post #5400398 (external link)
OR should I go ahead and add $200 more to the bill and start with the 580EX ll and a ST-E2?

if you're going to go with this route, why not just forget the ST-E2 and get the 430 with the 580II? that way, you have wireless ETTL and a 2 flash units.


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Apr 25, 2008 07:21 as a reply to  @ markubig's post |  #3

I dont want to have a speedlite on my camera unless my intent is to "bounce" the flash - so for that I dont think it would matter which speedlite I purchased.

My main interest is learning to do proper portrait lighting and I want the option of moving the speedlites into different positions that will work best for lighting a particular subject.


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Apr 25, 2008 07:57 |  #4

What Mark said makes a lot of sense.

First of all, there is a lot of things that you can do with a tilt/swivel head flash mounted on your camera.

Secondly, Using the 580 as master and the 430 as slave, you can adjust ratio between the flashes so as to use the 430 as your main light and 580 as fill. You can even turn the master off.

You can get an off camera cord (bought one off ebay for $35 recently) and set the 580 up with a modifier (umbrella) and off your camera so you can still enjoy a little flexibilty at that end as well.

However, this is a dead end of sorts. There are only very few good modifiers made for little strobes. Most softboxes, barndoors, grids etc. are made for studio strobes. Speedlites are light and portable and support ETTL and that's where the advantages end, as I'm finding out the hard way.


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Apr 25, 2008 08:22 as a reply to  @ shutterfiend's post |  #5

So shutterfiend is it your opinion that speedlites would be a waste of my money and that I should get studio stobes in oder to do what I want to do?
- and would you rather have the off camera cord if it cost the same as the ST-E2?


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Apr 25, 2008 08:34 |  #6

lildexmom wrote in post #5401059 (external link)
So shutterfiend is it your opinion that speedlites would be a waste of my money and that I should get studio stobes in oder to do what I want to do?

No, I don't think it's a waste of money at all. Portability is key for what I use it for. Location portraits. ETTL also comes in very handy and saves time.

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- and would you rather have the off camera cord if it cost the same as the ST-E2?

Of course not. If you've found a source that sells an ST-E2 for under $50, I'll gladly give you a 25% commision to get one for me.


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Apr 25, 2008 08:56 as a reply to  @ shutterfiend's post |  #7

Well shutterfiend I do know that the cost of the ST-E2 is about $200 compared to a new $65 off camera cord so that would be a less expensive route to take.

But the cost difference is not a big deal to me. If I am going to try the speedlite and my goal is to get it off the camera then I think the ST-E2 will be my prefered option. I dont have money falling out of my pockets or any thing like that - I just thought you were saying that I may not get what I am after if I go one of the routes that I am considering.

I think that ST-E2 will be lighter and easier for me to balance on my camera than the 580EX ll - I just cant decide if I should get a ST-E2 with 580EX ll first OR the ST-E2 with 430EX to start out with.

Since I am thinking that eventually I want two speedlites should I plan to have the ST-E2 with two 580EX ll OR the ST-E2 with a 580EX ll paired with a 430EX ~


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Apr 25, 2008 09:09 |  #8

The decision is ultimately all but yours to make. We can only share our own experiences.

So far, I have 3 speedlites. 580 ii, 580 and 430. The 580 came first. While buying the other two I had the option of going with the ST-E2 instead each time. I favored the flash both times. It's an additional source. That was enough argument for me.


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Apr 25, 2008 09:21 as a reply to  @ post 5401364 |  #9

Login, will your 580EX ll trigger your Vivatars?


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Apr 25, 2008 09:25 |  #10

I originally went a similar route to the one you are planning to take, but, to be honest, I rarely use the ST-E2 now (no, I'm not selling it as it does have it's uses!)

Generally I tend to go with a 580 on camera (set for FILL) and my 550 off camera set as the main. (more often I place this to MY right - so that if I turn the camera into portrait mode, the on-camera flash is then to MY left)

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Apr 25, 2008 09:37 |  #11

TeeJay wrote in post #5401414 (external link)
(more often I place this to MY right - so that if I turn the camera into portrait mode, the on-camera flash is then to MY left)

TJ

never thought about it that way . . . thanks for the tip!:)


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Apr 25, 2008 09:46 |  #12

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never thought about it that way . . . thanks for the tip!:)

You're welcome!

Having said all that, I'll still opt for my Bowens Gemini's if I'm doing any serious portrait work. I just find they are more controllable [Steps back and waits for flaming! :-)]

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Apr 25, 2008 12:47 |  #13

I also recommend the 580EX over the ST-E2 for several reasons:

Main flash and back up flash available.
IR has better range than ST-E2
580EX is a far more flexible flash gun than a 430EX and it's better at doing bounce, not just it's power but in general exposure.

I find it hard to justify the cost of a ST-E2 especially when it's nearly the same price as a 430EX.


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