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Apr 27, 2008 12:21 |  #1

I met this guy a while back while out shooting in Yosemite National Park. Nice guy, and was able to pick up a few pointers from him. I got his card and checked out his website. He told me that he does no PP, no filters. Im not sure I believe this and thought I would get some feedback from you guys. If there is not PP and no filters how does he get those colors? He shoots with an older 1D, 8mp i believe, other than that I dont know what else he has. Your thoughts??

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Apr 27, 2008 12:43 |  #2

Reading his EXIF data it shows CS2.

ETA: I'm no pro when it comes to reading the data so I don't know that he is using it, it just shows that info when I looked at it. Hard to believe he would pay that much for photo editing software just to organize his photos. Those are some amazing photos though!


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Apr 27, 2008 12:54 |  #3

Looks like he used a 1Dmk11, and long exposures at small apertures,


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Apr 27, 2008 12:58 as a reply to  @ dekalbSTEEL's post |  #4

I went to his site and clicked the "PhotoTours" icon. If the image titled "Eastern Sierra" hasn't had extensive pp that man is a magician.

How do you get the exif from a posted image? (Dumb question III this week, good thing it's Sunday and I start fresh tomorrow).


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Apr 27, 2008 13:41 |  #5

Exif on that image also shows it's in AdobeRGB. Bad.
Nice images though ;)

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Apr 27, 2008 13:49 |  #6

I can believe it.

I try my very best not to use any PP other than maybe an occasional exposure tweak or horizon correction. Although, I recently bought LightRoom and I can see how tempting it is to start playing around with stuff. But I still try not to use it as much because I find myself playing around with the colors too much, almost to the point of making it unnatural. But I have seen many great artists on PS and LR, it's just not my thing. Can't even imagine how amazing PS would be.

Now I do use customized settings on the picture styles in the camera to help me achieve the look. Orange/Red filters on black and white. I'll boost contrast +2 on complex landscapes. And I usually shoot +1 saturation on my 5d and +2 even +3 on my 30d.

I've actually seen people say this is cheap or cheating? But at the same time it's okay to move the contrast slider in LR, DPP, etc. afterwards. Don't understand that comment. If I know I want a high contrast shot when I take it, and actually understand what contrast does, why not set the camera up that way when I shoot it. Saves me time later on.

I've also found a CP filter and GND square filter are huge for making pictures pop and giving them a wide dynamic range. This shot is SOOC:

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Camera was set with +2 contrast, darkening filter and I also used a CP filter and a GND angled to hit the sky and darken it a further 2 stops.

I see the same type effect on a few of the shots from the above posted website.

It is curious as to why he would have PS saved files, but it's not damning. He could be using PS to add borders, overlay copyright info, signature, etc. Also could be for horizon correction. For instance, I primarily bought LR because DPP does not have a horizon fixer. So if I'm off, I have to use a lossy format editor to fix it and the file starts to degrade.

I'd say from all my shots on my website, only about 10 or so were color/contrast manipulated in LR. Another 10% had what I would call heavy processing from DPP. Correcting major exposure snafus (i.e. more than .33 stop in either way), changing white balance, playing with contrast, etc. The rest are as is from my custom settings in camera and added use of filters.

Here's a few more examples:

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Apr 27, 2008 14:07 |  #7

Put me down for the "I can believe it" camp.

Just check out the work of these old veterans:
George Lepp
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Jim Zuckerman
Art Wolfe

Some of their medium format images of landscapes will blow away some of the digital images you see today.


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Apr 27, 2008 14:26 |  #8

http://www.jeffmurrayp​hotography.citymax.com​/page/page/4143771.htm (external link)
he claims no changes to the images to his images under the "color variations" on this page, but he doesn't exactly say no editing, only that he tries to match the colors to what he saw in life. They are beautiful images though, and I hope I can get away with selling images for that price some day.


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Apr 27, 2008 14:43 |  #9

René Damkot wrote in post #5414092 (external link)
Exif on that image also shows it's in AdobeRGB. Bad.
Nice images though ;)

To view exif: Opanda (external link) or Exif viewer (external link).
I also have one for Safari, but don;t know which :o

Adobe RGB is better for printing than sRGB which is better for posting on the i net. . Adobe RGB has a wider range of colors and is useful when converting from RGB to CMYK.




  
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Apr 27, 2008 21:31 |  #10

I'd believe him, but I feel that the exposure difference between the sky and foreground would necessitate using a GND. I'd believe that he didn't touch them in PS and just used a GND or two, but I do find it tough to believe that photos like this one - http://www.jeffmurrayp​hotography.citymax.com …image/5560542/1​697685.htm (external link) were straight out of camera. Maayybee if he was shooting film, velvia or something.


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Apr 27, 2008 21:47 |  #11

He told me that he does no PP, no filters.

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Apr 27, 2008 23:56 |  #12

hes made clever use of golden hour lighting too - those colours exist in nature at those times, so its logical that it must be possible to photograph them if you really know what youre doing

but im undecided - either way, all professional film photographers develop their images or hire someone to do it - yet that is considered to be part of the process, whereas digital processing is 'cheating'?

go figure...




  
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Apr 28, 2008 21:49 |  #13

somethingsimple wrote in post #5417792 (external link)
hes made clever use of golden hour lighting too - those colours exist in nature at those times, so its logical that it must be possible to photograph them if you really know what youre doing

but im undecided - either way, all professional film photographers develop their images or hire someone to do it - yet that is considered to be part of the process, whereas digital processing is 'cheating'?

go figure...

So, why would you have to be a photographer that knows what he is doing capture colors like those on the website if those colors actually exist at the time of the shot? I would think if he is actually photographing existing colors that anyone with a camera would be able to make the same capture. No doubt he has some nice shots, I just think that it would be very difficult to get some of these without GND filters or some degree of PP, and if not I want to know how he does it.


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Apr 28, 2008 22:47 |  #14

Wow! Absolutely stunning!


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Apr 28, 2008 23:01 |  #15

My guess would be a combination of in camera settings,the use of various filters ( GND,CP ) , and scouting his locations and being there when the light is right...


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