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Aug 09, 2009 14:00 |  #166

I also found out wide my Tokina is after I put it on the 1D Mark II and then the 1Ds and even the Canon 28-135mm IS is wider as a result .


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Aug 13, 2009 05:59 as a reply to  @ E James P's post |  #167

Some casual 'real estate' type photos:

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These were taken through a Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8 which was adapted for use via a Nikon-G to EOS adapter, allowing full manual control of the aperture. The sharpness across the field is just astounding and the great colors shine through as usual. The 14mm focal length is very, very wide on FF and quite difficult to tame. In the last image especially, I swore I lined everything up and yet it appears the floor is sloping to the left.

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Aug 13, 2009 12:09 |  #168

Some nice photos and plus that sloping effect from wide angles can produce some interesting looks in a photograph .


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Aug 13, 2009 17:48 |  #169

hey guys...
i do own a EOS1D(dont wanna sell it) and i wanna get an older ff-body too.
How bout the 1Ds...how many photos are possible with 1 charge.
are the "old" 11Mps still very good?!
how does it perform on higher ISO´s...
or is an EOS 1Ds MkII affortable?

does anyone knows prices for both body`s?
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Aug 13, 2009 17:57 |  #170

How bout the 1Ds...how many photos are possible with 1 charge.

In cold weather I've killed the battery in maybe 400 frames or so. In warmer weather I've shot 1000 or so, and it was still going, but probably not for much further.

are the "old" 11Mps still very good?!

....oh yeah ! :D That's 11 million really nice pickles ! :lol::lol:

how does it perform on higher ISO´s...

I try to avoid going over 400, but sometimes use 640....I'm not averse to using 800...but I'd rather not.

or is an EOS 1Ds MkII affortable?

does anyone knows prices for both body`s?

Depends I guess on how much you have to spend....1DS have slipped under the magic $1,000 point now. Mk2S is what...maybe double that ?


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Aug 14, 2009 00:52 |  #171
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I just picked up my 1ds tonight!!! I can't wait to go shooting tomorrow!


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Aug 14, 2009 05:29 as a reply to  @ george m w's post |  #172

More 'real estate' photos:

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These were again taken with the Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8. But because I was just visiting, these were done much more quickly and handheld, plus, higher ISO settings were used for photos in shade or indoors. The details are razor-sharp.

I'm bad with the technicalities, but my basic understanding is that it's important for a camera and lens to 'sing in tandem'. It's little point having a camera with a tonne of megapixels but a lens that's incapable of delivering the required resolution to the sensor. This is perhaps why 50D users complain that their lenses are yielding surprisingly soft images. A high pixel density demands more from a lens.

Looking to the other extreme, consider the 1D Classic, 4MP on a very large sensor makes for low pixel density. I could throw the humble 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II in front of that sensor and it would create image with images appearing sharp as a knife edge. The acutance or perceived sharpness is very high, even if the lens itself isn't technically capable of resolving as much detail as a really good L lens.

The 1Ds has 11 big megapickles, as someone else here put it. So it demands much more resolution from a lens than a 1D, but perhaps less than say, the 40D or 50D. So, if you use a decent enough lens, the 11MP will give you very nice images. Put a good lens in front of it, expose well, compose with thought, and you'll get spectacular photos...but bear in mind the emphasis on the last two terms.

The high ISO performance of this camera is generally considered to not be on par with newer cameras, showing higher levels of chroma and luminance noise from lower ISO settings. I've always thought the appearance of the noise to be attractive however, and the problem isn't all that severe. For the most part it's really noticeable only in the shadow areas, and you have to be viewing at 100%.

I've printed some high ISO images from the 1Ds into 8X12" size and found no noise to complain about. Personally I think plastic-smooth, grain-free images are just not natural. Those who have ever shot film will probably understand the importance of grain: its presence (ie. being there) is just as important as its amount. Bearing this in mind, I would shoot at any ISO setting on the 1Ds, using it as required.

But be very careful to expose properly with the 1Ds. When questions are raised about the accuracy of the 1Ds exposure meter, I think the answer should be, 'The 1Ds meter is consistent'. I don't believe it's particularly accurate. Here's why: I've found the camera to underexpose more at the higher ISO settings. So when you're shooting at ISO 1000 and ISO 1250, dial in about +2/3 stop exposure compensation for an average scene. Again here you'll need to experiment to see how your camera behaves. I've found this behavior to be consistent and predictable.

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Aug 14, 2009 10:27 |  #173

.....but my basic understanding is that it's important for a camera and lens to 'sing in tandem'.....

Flo,
....Andrew makes numerous good points in his post above where I pulled that quote. Good reading if you are considereing a 1DS. To somewhat clarify my statements ( I should have explained it better earlier ) about how I prefer to avoid high ISO with the 1DS: I should point out that my purpose in having the 1DS is for what I call "fine arts" or "creative" shots. In other words, I like to use it when I have the time, and the light, and it's often on a tripod. I have a different camera I use for other photo purposes.
Andrew makes an excellent point about the film like quality of the images coming from this body. In my opinion, at ISO 400, the files out of this thing take on that quality at it's best. Attached to this post are two shots at 400, with a B+W polarizer. It's kinda hard to see it here reduced for web, but the original files are just delicious. I too came from film....40 years of film made me have a love/hate relationship with grain. This 1DS allows me to have, I think, the best of both worlds. At ISO 100 it gives detail, without the look of grain, in my opinion. See two of my other shots...the red car to me has really nice detail, and the white horse has some of that grain look ( post #48, page 4 of this thread ), kind of like the grain look of the two shots with this post.
I'm rambling on here Flo....all I can say is, take what Andew said to heart....you can see from his results ( check out his website ) he gets some great captures.
Buy one of these cameras and use it where it has strengths, and you will love it....and when you see the files you get out of it, you will be sitting at your computer saying, "oh....my...."


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Aug 14, 2009 21:09 |  #174

I'm selling my 1ds 11.1mp for $1600 if anyones interested. It's in pristine condition. No scratches or dings. It has only 848 actuations. The guy I bought it from hardly used it at all. Im selling it because im not really that big into photography and need something a little smaller. Let me know if you're interested.




  
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Aug 14, 2009 21:28 |  #175

Casey,
Is this the one you just bought a week or so ago ?


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Aug 15, 2009 09:16 |  #176
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I'm confused...all of my pics saved in like 292x133 size...is this normal?


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Aug 15, 2009 12:11 |  #177

I'm confused...all of my pics saved in like 292x133 size...is this normal?

See page 38 of your manual. Do you perhaps have your file size setting on 'small' ?


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Aug 15, 2009 17:45 |  #178

hey guys..sorry to get back to you so late...used my new mtb fully :D
So i´m in love with my 1D Classic dinosaur...but i would love to use fullframe :)
Hmm...so you´re happy with the 11Mps...
Ok its more than twice of the MP´s my 1D got :D
i think i´m confused right now cause i wanna have a 1Ds :D


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george m w wrote in post #8464553 (external link)
See page 38 of your manual. Do you perhaps have your file size setting on 'small' ?

No I'm shooting in RAW...always RAW. Interesting enough though is that they are HUGE/Full size on computer, though they squawk 288x192 in file info. I found my answer here though:

http://www.robgalbrait​h.com …_page.asp?cid=7​-4214-4690 (external link)

Because the files are TIFF, and are indicated as such, many browsing and cataloging programs will be able to find the 288 x 192 pixel thumbnail and display that. For example, my favourite image cataloger, iView MediaPro 1.2 (external link) for Mac, can locate the large thumbnail and build its catalog entry from that, as well as extract key shooting data and IPTC caption data (if present) as well. Of the exposure and shooting information I refer to most often, only the WB setting chosen in the camera is not displaying at this time in MediaPro. This means that from the moment the camera's released, it will be possible to not only shoot and process RAW EOS-1D files, but to build them into a browsable, searchable archive as well, with no apparent drawbacks in doing so. As I look back over time to other digital SLR releases, I can't recall another in which the archiving of RAW files was to be so effortless from Day One. Extensis Portfolio 5 (external link) for Mac, FotoStation 4.5 Build 118 (external link) for Mac and Photo Mechanic Lite and Pro 2.0r16 (external link) for Mac show a similar ability to locate and work with the large thumbnail inside EOS-1D RAW files. I expect similar results on the PC, though I've not tested this.
The one disadvantage to the .TIF extension is that double-clicking a RAW EOS-1D file will open not the full-resolution image, but a 288 x 192 pixel thumbnail, into the associated application. If that's Photoshop, and if by accident one were to resave that photo, the thumbnail only would be saved and the original RAW image lost. This disadvantage would be neutralized if a Photoshop file format plug-in (different from an import/acquire plug-in) were to be developed to support the EOS-1D RAW format, though Canon has not indicated plans to do so.


Here is the first pic on my new 1ds:


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Thanks for the help George :)

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Aug 15, 2009 18:41 |  #180

though they squawk 288x192 in file info. I found my answer here though:.....

....okay, yeah, I had not thought of that. I use DPP ( in spite of the fact that a lot of folks bad mouth it ! ).
Nice first pic ! Well done. These are awesome cameras for sure, I love using mine....and the files it kicks out are really something special.


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