Dave, are you saying that DPP defaulted to those values? Why not set the DPP Preferences to just use zero and try things out -- do those images look OK at the lower levels?
tonylong ...winded  More info | Jan 19, 2011 22:54 | #31 Dave, are you saying that DPP defaulted to those values? Why not set the DPP Preferences to just use zero and try things out -- do those images look OK at the lower levels? Tony
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tonylong ...winded More info | Jan 19, 2011 23:21 | #32 So, I checked files from my 1D3 and 5D Classic -- at all ISOs DPP uses a default of 2 :uminance and 0 Chrominance NR, so way different from what you are showing. Tony
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Jan 19, 2011 23:36 | #33 Hey Tony, DPP defaulted to those values and I don't know what the 7D menu settings were since it was in the BestBuy display case and I am not familiar with all the settings of that camera. My 1DmII and 40D both default to 2 and 0 NR so yes, it is possible the settings of the display model were in a high ISO NR as you suggest. Dave
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tonylong ...winded More info | Jan 19, 2011 23:43 | #34 Well, did your camera come with a manual? It should show up in the index as "High ISO speed Noise Reduction" or some such thing or check out C.Fn II-2 (it's there on my 1D3). Tony
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tzalman Fatal attraction.  13,497 posts Likes: 213 Joined Apr 2005 Location: Gesher Haziv, Israel More info | Jan 20, 2011 03:30 | #35 In addition to DPP defaulting to the camera's HINR setting unless you change the default in Preferences, it also does something even worse, IMO. The NR will be applied to the output image, but it is not applied to the on-screen preview unless you click Apply on the third tab. Thus it is possible to get a load of sharpness reduction without knowing where it came from. Even worse, a year or two back DPP had a bug in that even if HINR was disabled in the camera, some NR was still applied. That was fixed. Another point is that the name High ISO Noise Reduction is misleading; also at low ISOs some NR is applied, although it is interactive, increasing together with the ISO. Elie / אלי
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tonylong ...winded More info | Jan 20, 2011 03:42 | #36 tzalman wrote in post #11677259  In addition to DPP defaulting to the camera's HINR setting unless you change the default in Preferences, it also does something even worse, IMO. The NR will be applied to the output image, but it is not applied to the on-screen preview unless you click Apply on the third tab. Thus it is possible to get a load of sharpness reduction without knowing where it came from. Even worse, a year or two back DPP had a bug in that even if HINR was disabled in the camera, some NR was still applied. That was fixed. Another point is that the name High ISO Noise Reduction is misleading; also at low ISOs some NR is applied, although it is interactive, increasing together with the ISO. So, what is it -- on my two bodies, they show a default of 2/0 -- do you suggest that this will be misleading, or only if the camera will be set to a High ISO NR, or what? Tony
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RenéDamkot Cream of the Crop  39,856 posts Likes: 8 Joined Feb 2005 Location: enschede, netherlands More info | Jan 20, 2011 05:30 | #37 DPP applies NR by default. "I think the idea of art kills creativity" - Douglas Adams
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tzalman Fatal attraction. 13,497 posts Likes: 213 Joined Apr 2005 Location: Gesher Haziv, Israel More info | Jan 20, 2011 10:24 | #38 tonylong wrote in post #11677292 So, what is it -- on my two bodies, they show a default of 2/0 -- do you suggest that this will be misleading, or only if the camera will be set to a High ISO NR, or what? It would be misleading if you were expecting 0/0. Elie / אלי
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tonylong ...winded More info | Jan 20, 2011 11:27 | #39 Well, -- I went to Preferences and set the Raw NR to zero. I had to restart DPP, and then the default comes up at zero. But, if you have your in-camera high ISO noise reduction turned on that would be a different question. Tony
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DickJagger Mostly Lurking  18 posts Joined Aug 2008 More info | May 20, 2011 23:37 | #41 DDCSD wrote in post #5458707 A 100% crop is just a way of showing in a forum what you see on your monitor when you view an image at 100%, without making people have to look at a 3+ MB file. Here is how I get a 100% crop. I will use the example of making a 800x600 sample (although technically you could use 1024x1024 in the forum, as per current rules). This is the simplest method I have found, and shows you a true 100% crop of the image. If an image starts out at lets say 3,000 pixels by 2,000 pixels, it would need to be re-sized to fit within the forum rules. All you have then is the same picture with many many pixels removed. With a 100% crop, you only have a portion of the picture, in this case 800 pixels by 600 pixels, with no resizing. This is used to show you the actual quality of the photo. When a photo is resized, it just dumps the pixels out, this method shows every pixel in the sample. I found that Canon Digital Photo Professional is the easiest thing for me to use to get a 100% crop. These screenshots are technically 100% crops also, as I didn't resize the screenshot. Therefore, you aren't seeing the whole screen here, just the important parts. I will show you how to get a 100% crop from this image:
First, after opening up the image, if the tool palette isn't already up, go to view>tool palette and make sure your setting are all at 0, especially sharpness.
After this, go to Tools>Start Trimming Tool (Alt+C)
Next I went to Aspect Ratio on the right hand side, although this isn't necessary, it makes it easier. I chose 4x3, but you can use any aspect you want, 1x1 would probably be best as it would yield the biggest result.
Now you click and drag your marquee until you get 800 pixels in the box on the right hand side, this time I got exactly 800x600, but many times it won't let you get right on 800 for some reason. It is not necessary to get exactly 800, no one will know or care if you have 799 or 798 pixels instead of the 800.
Now you simply click OK, and you have your 100% crop. It will stretch it to fit your current window, which may show it at 300-400% and will look terrible. Now you go to File>Convert & Save.
Save as file type Exif-jpeg, Image quality 10. Name it, hit save. Do nothing else, do not resize, dpi does not matter.
You are then ready to show off your 100% crop here on POTN for everyone to measurebate to!
Be sure to do no editing (sharpening it kinda defeats the purpose of a 100% crop)to the image, and it is preferable to start with a RAW file (.CR2). Hope this clears things up.
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