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May 20, 2008 22:54 |  #31

Mac's are overpriced. end of story.


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May 20, 2008 23:40 |  #32

jonstewart wrote in post #5562584 (external link)
It's good that they recalled and fixed the problem.

One question (and it's non-judgemental, btw!) What exactly is made by Apple any more, now that it's all PC components?

Love the way the multitouch works on the trackpad, but that's software. Absolutely love the design of the Aluminium bluetooth keyboard I'm typing on; I suppose that, at least, is designed by Apple.

EDIT: yes, APple beautifully assemble components. No question about that!
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Its not the fact that Apple doesnt make the parts, its the fact the Apples OS is designed to run at its best with the parts being used. The big thing that separates them from PC's is that Apple sells both the OS and the machine designed to run the OS exclusively. Windows is designed to run on anything really, with no consideration to crappy components and what not. Go to any computer show and buy $100 in parts and throw a machine together...Then people wonder why it crashes all the time. Intel makes the processors and Apple worked with Intel exclusively to maximize that processor for its OS. Cant really say that for PCs. Now, go buy top quality parts to run windows on and you will have one nice machine, however like I said before, your price point will be comparable to Apples.

To your question about what is actually made by Apple, I should ask....What parts are made by Windows?


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May 20, 2008 23:41 |  #33

turbo212003 wrote in post #5565249 (external link)
Mac's are overpriced. end of story.

So arent Ferrari's, but have you ever driven one?


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May 21, 2008 03:57 |  #34

cory1848 wrote in post #5565530 (external link)
Its not the fact that Apple doesnt make the parts, its the fact the Apples OS is designed to run at its best with the parts being used. The big thing that separates them from PC's is that Apple sells both the OS and the machine designed to run the OS exclusively. Windows is designed to run on anything really, with no consideration to crappy components and what not. Go to any computer show and buy $100 in parts and throw a machine together...Then people wonder why it crashes all the time. Intel makes the processors and Apple worked with Intel exclusively to maximize that processor for its OS. Cant really say that for PCs. Now, go buy top quality parts to run windows on and you will have one nice machine, however like I said before, your price point will be comparable to Apples.

To your question about what is actually made by Apple, I should ask....What parts are made by Windows?

I generally agree with you here. I have no issue with the cost of Apples: Others do. I bought my MacPro because it was the cheapest way to buy a workstation class PC.

Apple and Dell have one thing in common; They actually test all the component configurations to work with the OS. That's not something you can say of many other manufacturers. Theoretically, all PC components are compatible with each other and the OS, but in real life, this is often not the case.

Glad we could find agreement here
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May 21, 2008 06:28 |  #35

They should really invent Macbook Pros in 13.3"....


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May 21, 2008 10:26 |  #36

This has what to do with the business of photography?


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May 21, 2008 10:49 |  #37

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This has what to do with the business of photography?

You really need to ask that?


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May 21, 2008 11:00 |  #38

once you go mac you'll never go back


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May 21, 2008 11:26 |  #39

Had a 15.4" 2.4 for 6 months... up until the HD died after dropping it :p

Love it, solid as a rock, been on pretty much 24/7!

10.5.2 FTW! (Used macs since I was 6, I be a veteran!)




  
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May 21, 2008 11:36 |  #40

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once you go mac you'll never go back

Once you start making dumb generalizations, you look like a fool.


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May 21, 2008 12:20 |  #41

I think Macs look cool and their publicity is extremely well made.
Windows interface is ugly and the action sounds are dull.
I hate the way it alerts all the time, but I guess the virus threat has made it parano.

I've had problems getting HP Director to work with my G4 PBook under Leopard. Intel machine has no problems once you tick "open using Rosetta" on its "get info" screen.
With the G4, I get to look at the beach ball (processor busy) a bit too much, specially using LightRoom. Again, the Intel machine has no problems.

From guys who sell machines to ordinary people I've been hearing that Macs give their after sales -dpt. a lot less worries than any one of the Winmachines they are selling. Still, people are reluctant to get the Mac as there are "specialists" around sneering at them and making a lot of comments about the things that you cannot do on Macs.

The fact is, most of these things are way beyond ordinary people's realm.
I do photos, an occasional video, music, emails, net and quite some text and numbers.
I use CS2, MS Office, Open Office, Firefox, Safari, Mail.app, TexEdit, Preview, ReadIris, Skype and Shrook. The only apps that have given me trouble are MS Office (French version, what do you expect!) and OpenOffice beta.

I got an XP discount when I bought an external HD. To use it, I got the Parallels Desktop. Thus far it has been used five times during the last eight months. I have no fanatic feelings towards either one of the OS's. I can well see that most of the world is running their Vistas and XP's and virus protection with success. My opinions on the OS's will not change that fact.

The French government decided to go Linux. Knowing the French, it will not work.
I'll stick to Apple as long as it is available. I am already operating in a foreign language all day, why should I complicate matters further changing OS's!


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May 21, 2008 12:37 as a reply to  @ Village_Idiot's post |  #42

I am going to categorically answer the major comments made here and then I'm going to expect everyone to ignore what I have just said.

1. Apple computers are priced competitively as a similarly equiped Windows machine built by a similarly reputable manufacturer. The value of an Apple computer versus a windows machine is up to the user.

2. There is a large library of software available for OSX that allows Apple computers to work with windows based networks. It's not impossible, nor is it particularly difficult. Again, the value is up to the user.

3. Apple uses the same parts suppliers as other computer manufactuers. For every failed drive, keyboard or monitor there is a proportionate number of hardware failures from windows based computers.

My story: I've owned 5 windows based machines in the last 8 years. I built two of them, the others were from big name manufacturers. They all had problems, and I worked through them. The last one I built in June '07 as a gaming PC. The processeor recently died on me for unknown reasons. My point is that I've done the PC thing and I know what's involved.

I also bought a MacBook in December ('07), I bought the cheapest one available because I just needed something for travel. I immediately added 4GB of ram for less than $100 from newegg, there was no way I was going to pay Apple's $400. As much as this was intended to be my travel computer, it became my main computer.

My thought is that yes, you can build a PC for less than the price of an Apple. But anytime you build a computer there is no customer support. Yes, you can buy a PC for less than an Apple. Typically these systems have lower specifications than the smallest of Apples. People buying Apples know what they are getting with their purchase. PC owners are the same way.

Whatever your choice is though, it's going to come down to what you are comfortable with, what your experiecne is and what you want.




  
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May 21, 2008 13:13 |  #43

garbidz wrote in post #5568516 (external link)
The fact is, most of these things are way beyond ordinary people's realm.

I don't think games are 'way beyond ordinary people's realm'. I do agree with you that if you just want to surf, and write the odd email and document, they're perfect!

If you keep it simple, they'll work great for you - and I think that applies to well built windows boxes as well.

My mum has a Dell windows box, and whatever it's supposed deficiencies, it works fine for her!

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May 21, 2008 13:18 |  #44

I cant speak for MAC but I think the problem that PC's have is the amount of crap they come with when you buy them from somewhere like dell. The average user doesent know what they can get rid of or what they need so they just keep it all. I big line of crap on the bottom right of your screen. Ugh. my pet peeve. Another reason I prefer building my own PC. Clean windows install.


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May 21, 2008 13:29 |  #45

Discussing computer brands is almost like comparing Canon with Nikon, Sony etc. Everyone seems to have the absolute answer and those that disagree must be an idiot. (For what its worth, I own both a Dell notebook and a Macbook.)

No question about it, Windows based machines offer a much wider variety of choices. Some are cheaper than what Apple offers, some are not. However, one thing no Windows based machine offers is the ability to run both OSX and Windows on the same computer. If you find that advantageous you have one choice - MacIntosh.


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