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poll: Any RAW shooters shoot to the left for shutter speed?

 
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May 21, 2008 12:54 |  #46

E-K wrote in post #5568709 (external link)
The reason is to keep the shutter speed up because you don't have IS or a tripod and are shooting at 400mm plus you've reached the maximum ISO of your camera ;).

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But he said he used a shutter speed of 1/1000, wide open and ISO 1600 @ 400mm, that just sound like a weird setting for me. If it had been action sports, sure, but for birds in threes it doesn't seem right. He could have easily gotten a much better photo if he just exposed it correctly instead.


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May 21, 2008 12:57 |  #47

mrbass111 wrote in post #5568340 (external link)
ok heres the first shot i took this am. -1 ap. shutter speed 1000, f 5.6. iso 1600, 417mm range.

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Surely this shot is a classic case of the need for increasing the exposure? You say you were shooting into the sky. That's fine, because the sky is probably correctly exposed - but it is fooling the meter and giving you underexposure which, in turn, is made worse by your decision to use -1 exposure compensation. Hence, the important bit (the bird) is very much underexposed. I repeat - there is no reason to dial in -1. Rather, you should get the exposure right by understanding more about exposure. The books recommended on the forum should serve you well. Good luck.




  
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May 21, 2008 13:00 |  #48

I shoot in RAW whenever I use my DSLR. And it does help me in making certain corrections to some extent.


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May 21, 2008 13:06 |  #49

Molnies wrote in post #5568732 (external link)
But he said he used a shutter speed of 1/1000, wide open and ISO 1600 @ 400mm, that just sound like a weird setting for me. If it had been action sports, sure, but for birds in threes it doesn't seem right. He could have easily gotten a much better photo if he just exposed it correctly instead.

If he had shot at the proper exposure, then the shutter speed would have been 1/500s which is less than the guideline of approximately 1/667s when shooting at 416mm. So it really depends on the user if they need to speed the shutter up or can slow it down.

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May 21, 2008 14:06 |  #50

mrbass111 wrote in post #5563119 (external link)
the main reasoning is shooting birds under low light. even useing iso 1600 early in the am i am still at 60 shutter speed and my pics come out blurry. it sound like left exp. might be usefull early then adjust to normal ap. as light permits. thats just what im getting out of all this. but my other problem would be as light gets better am i better off going iso 800 then 400 to get better pq?
and if i do lower my iso. i would think that i should use negative exp. to get faster shutter speeds. am i right on this?

I'd say underexposing should be a last resort (rather than a "helpful technique"), but there will be times when you really don't have a meaningful choice -- like you've said, the shutter speed will be so slow that any animal movement will cause blur.

I'm assuming that in this scene you're using a tripod, right? So that the only blurring would be from the bird?

At any rate, when you underexpose, you are stuck with a low signal to noise ratio, meaning that you collect less light relative to the amount of inherent noise that lurks in the system, so that when you amplify the exposure in your software, you amplify the noise as well as the light and the noise becomes more of a problem. The higher ISOs will also have more noise, so you get hit by a double whammy when shooting in this kind of low light.

Shooting in RAW gives some help because you can fine-tune things in your RAW developer whereas with jpegs you have frozen and shrunk your image to fit the jpeg format, but still with RAW you'll be faced with the noise and will need to work with your RAW noise reduction tools.

A lot of times the noise is more in darker backgrounds than on the actual birds, so you can also consider bringing a shot into Photoshop and separating the bird from the background in layers and then applying different amounts of techniques to soften noise and sharpening to the different layers.

One other bit of advice: consider using a good flash, such as the 580 EX, and a flash extender such as the Better Beamer. Many people get good results using these with birds in low light. They are made to be used with telephoto lenses of 300mm or more in exactly these kinds of situations.

Lastly, if you are serious about all of this, you might consider a body with better high ISO performance such as a 40D, which will give you cleaner images at 1600 and will allow you to go to 3200. Also, I've never used the Sigma lens, but you might do some tests as to how the lens performs at the widest aperture, which I assume is f/5.6 at 500mm. Some lenses are noticeably poor performers at their longest reach and widest apertures. If you see this with your lens you'll have another factor you'll have to deal with in choosing your exposure settings. When I saw that problem with my first telephoto lens (the EF 70-300 IS) it prompted me toward the inevitable "L word":)!


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May 21, 2008 15:29 |  #51

Wow---what's the next poll?
"Anybody here shoot digital?"


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May 22, 2008 09:34 |  #52

ajayclicks wrote in post #5568763 (external link)
I shoot in RAW whenever I use my DSLR. And it does help me in making certain corrections to some extent.

MikeMcL wrote in post #5568552 (external link)
I shoot RAW+JPG becuase i hate having to process every single mundane snapshot... For those, i just delete the raws on the computer to save space.

If i get a good shot or two, i use the raw, and process it as it deserves to be processed.

I love having the quick and easy snapshot once in a while. i hate doing a ton of extra work on every single shot. i tried it for a while, and RAW only didn't work for me.


another thing to consider, which bit me in the butt. You cant open a raw file on some computers... Like maybe a hotel computer, a friends computer, library, etc. i did a photo shoot for a customer, and couldn't proof them on location. Minor, but still a hassle.

irishman wrote in post #5569717 (external link)
Wow---what's the next poll?
"Anybody here shoot digital?"

Or how about;
POll: Does anyone here read more than the title before replying?


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