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May 28, 2008 12:09 |  #31

FlounderFX4 wrote in post #5611216 (external link)
I was at the game on Saturday as well. 14 rows up behind 1st. Got some shots but nothing spectacular.

You catch any of the first close play at 1st or any of the many broken KC bats?

I got a couple of the KC broke bats but nothing spectacular. They're on my laptop or I'd check if there's anything worth showing. I remember one where it was starting to break, you could see it cracking.

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So you are moving down in your photography career and not up Mike? :rolleyes:

Well, losing a certrain spring training client hurt big time so I guess I'm saying financially and the freedom I had last year at this time I'm back in low-A ball, though trying to make it up with other clients and business ventures so I can get back on track to reach the show ;)


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May 28, 2008 13:25 |  #32

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it's crazy how much the bat deflects when they're swinging! nice shots!

Well actually, wooden bats don't flex as much as they appear to do here (and other shots taken with modern cameras). The apparent flex you see is the result of the distortion introduced by focal plane shutters. For short exposures times, the slit formed by the first and second shutter curtain is narrower than the frame, and the amount of time required for this slit to travel across the frame is a lot longer than the amount of time required for the exposure of a single point on the image. When the subject is moving very fast (and/or when the camera is being panned rapidly), and the shutter speed is fast (but not too fast), the rapidly-moving portion of the image may have moved an appreciable distance between the start and the finish of the exposure, which results in what appears to be a bat whipping like this.

Here's an extreme example of this phenomenon:

http://wrotniak.net/ph​oto/tech/heli-puzzle.html (external link)

Many sports implements DO bend (hockey sticks, golf clubs, the baseball itself, etc), although this phenomenon can even impact the amount of bend we see in these things that ARE bending.

Now, aluminum and composite bats are designed to flex, normally at the handles:

http://www.kettering.e​du …bats-new/handle-flex.html (external link)

As you can see, there is considerable debate whether the "whip effect" designed into some non-wooden bats actually improves their performance or not.

Now, back to the original thread, Mike, nice series. Are you working for CSM here, or another group? I'm due to go to Miller Park tomorrow to cover the Brewers/Braves, and I'm REALLY hoping for sunshine. The two previous games I've covered there this year have been day games, but during heavy rainstorms, and the light in there (as it appears to be in the Rogers Center) is horrid when the roof is closed.

Good summary of how you got into pro sports shooting. The path I have traveled is a little different in that I've only been shooting professionally for a relatively short period of time, and have had to make up for this by working pretty much every sport at every level under every possible situation since I got "serious" about doing this. I don't think I've turned down more than a handful of chances to shoot in the past three years, especially for a new sport, a new venue, a new level or a new challenge (such as shooting a sport indoors, or at night, or during bad weather, etc).

This week alone I'll probably put 20,000 actuations on the shutter of my MkIIN, for example. This is an above-average week, but certainly not the only time this has occurred.

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May 28, 2008 13:58 |  #33

dmwierz wrote in post #5612416 (external link)
Well actually, wooden bats don't flex as much as they appear to do here (and other shots taken with modern cameras). The apparent flex you see is the result of the distortion introduced by focal plane shutters. For short exposures times, the slit formed by the first and second shutter curtain is narrower than the frame, and the amount of time required for this slit to travel across the frame is a lot longer than the amount of time required for the exposure of a single point on the image. When the subject is moving very fast (and/or when the camera is being panned rapidly), and the shutter speed is fast (but not too fast), the rapidly-moving portion of the image may have moved an appreciable distance between the start and the finish of the exposure, which results in what appears to be a bat whipping like this.

Here's an extreme example of this phenomenon:

http://wrotniak.net/ph​oto/tech/heli-puzzle.html (external link)

Many sports implements DO bend (hockey sticks, golf clubs, the baseball itself, etc), although this phenomenon can even impact the amount of bend we see in these things that ARE bending.

Now, aluminum and composite bats are designed to flex, normally at the handles:

http://www.kettering.e​du …bats-new/handle-flex.html (external link)

As you can see, there is considerable debate whether the "whip effect" designed into some non-wooden bats actually improves their performance or not.

Now, back to the original thread, Mike, nice series. Are you working for CSM here, or another group? I'm due to go to Miller Park tomorrow to cover the Brewers/Braves, and I'm REALLY hoping for sunshine. The two previous games I've covered there this year have been day games, but during heavy rainstorms, and the light in there (as it appears to be in the Rogers Center) is horrid when the roof is closed.

Good summary of how you got into pro sports shooting. The path I have traveled is a little different in that I've only been shooting professionally for a relatively short period of time, and have had to make up for this by working pretty much every sport at every level under every possible situation since I got "serious" about doing this. I don't think I've turned down more than a handful of chances to shoot in the past three years, especially for a new sport, a new venue, a new level or a new challenge (such as shooting a sport indoors, or at night, or during bad weather, etc).

This week alone I'll probably put 20,000 actuations on the shutter of my MkIIN, for example. This is an above-average week, but certainly not the only time this has occurred.

Dennis

I'd explain all that to the kids I coach but we're still working on move to where the ball is going and not where it is so you over run it :)

Saturday was the best day for shooting at the Centre, there wasn't too much heat and the roof was open in the sun. Harsh shadows but got the best results. With the roof closed I tried a ton of different settings for future reference and really don't plan on going back for any closed roof games any time soon. Sunday with the heat up I had trouble focusing, I thought my body was broken until coming home and shooting at "AAA" game finding it worked perfect. Guess is heat off the turf along with having a 300 so not too close to the subjects had major factors. Not sure though, had it happen before but not as bad as that.

I was up there for BA, not CSM...they did get some though.

I'm getting that way as well, not turning down anything sport wise. However, I have turned down plenty of weddings, banquets, and other stuff. Plan on getting more into portraits like HS seniors and such though someday in the future as I been slowly stocking up on studio gear. If I can land a high school or two I'll be shooting a lot of new sports, plus I'm adding in a new service directed just for parents this year more than likely as I'll have a lot of time on my hands if I'm not coaching.


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May 28, 2008 14:25 |  #34

dmwierz wrote in post #5612416 (external link)
This week alone I'll probably put 20,000 actuations on the shutter of my MkIIN, for example. This is an above-average week, but certainly not the only time this has occurred.

Dennis

I know where 12,000 of those actuations came from.

I'm shooting the Indians and the Twins in the Metrodome in early July. I'm sure the conditions will be somewhat similar.


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May 28, 2008 22:26 |  #35

Sledhed wrote in post #5612765 (external link)
I know where 12,000 of those actuations came from.

I'm shooting the Indians and the Twins in the Metrodome in early July. I'm sure the conditions will be somewhat similar.

Ask Gark if he wants any pics with the Mascots...


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