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May 26, 2008 08:47 |  #1

when i use flash my black acrylic background becomes almost white in my pictures.......how can i keep it pitch-black whilst illuminating my subjects on it correctly?


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May 26, 2008 08:48 |  #2

Make sure there is no reflecting light hitting it?

ie - side lighting/soft front/distance from model to backdrop.


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May 26, 2008 08:54 |  #3

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i hear what you are saying, however my subject (a tomato) stands straight on top of the acrylic, and i need to use lighting to illuminate the tomato.

would a soft box help, or a light tent? i think that should also reflect.

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May 26, 2008 08:58 as a reply to  @ macobee's post |  #4

Have you tried using a circular polarizer?




  
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May 26, 2008 08:59 as a reply to  @ macobee's post |  #5

Ahhh!!!!!!!
You use it as a platform!

Ok, disregard what I said then.
Get some nice matte black cloth, and throw it over your pedestal!


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May 26, 2008 09:02 |  #6

yes as a platform, sorry for being confusing.

matte black cloth, you mean hang it above the tomatoes, with the lights still under it?


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May 26, 2008 09:10 |  #7

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yes as a platform, sorry for being confusing.

matte black cloth, you mean hang it above the tomatoes, with the lights still under it?

Ahm, no, not exactly.
It isn't turning white, so to speak, it is reflecting. So you need to eliminate the reflections. You can do this by either using a non-reflective surface as your platform, positioning your lighting to minimize reflection, using a circular polarizer - or combinations of those options.


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May 26, 2008 09:14 |  #8

The black plexi is bouncing light to the surroundings, which are then appearing in the photograph. (Imagine what you would see if a mirror replaced the plexi!) Eliminate the surfaces behind (black felt or background paper) and the plexi will be much better.


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May 26, 2008 09:15 |  #9

right ok so i need to loose the nice feeling of floating and get me a non reflective black background........i am happy today i just did a test shoot!

i will also try in a bit with my cpl see if it can help enough.

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May 26, 2008 09:16 |  #10

.. Or paint all the walls and the ceiling black :lol: :lol:

But the cloth thing, that's probably easier.


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May 26, 2008 09:18 |  #11

Seriously, though, you could still get the effect you're going for.. Get a piece of clear plexi (not black) and put it on top of something matt black (ie: card, material, whatever..).. You'd get a little reflection, but not as much as you're seeing at the moment AND you'd get the 'floating' feeling that you're looking for (but not as pronounced).


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May 26, 2008 09:48 |  #12

What you are seeing is a reflection of a white background on a black surface. You need to change the background as well, to black. Leave everything not seen in the frame as white. The "float" will still be there, just in black not white.

Notice the reflection on part of the black acrylic here....

IMAGE: http://www.tabletopstudio.com/images/jewelryphotography/seahorse_setup200h.jpg

THis is what you are getting, when you change the background yo will get what is on the right side.( no reflection)

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IMAGE: http://www.tabletopstudio.com/images/jewelryphotography/goldseahorse_200.jpg

The black background will also help with the burnt out spots on top of the tomatoes. A light tent will help tremendously. A cheep sheet and a support of some kind is all you need. Dont buy the $100 tents Unless you plan on doing a lot of stuff. Check this link on how to build one... http://www.pbase.com/w​lhuber/light_box_light​_tent (external link) Also dont trust your light meter in times like this. Too much black or white will throw it off. Use it to get a base then open or close down by hand till you get whar you need.

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May 26, 2008 09:54 |  #13

hey mark, thanks, interesting......so lets say if i'd take black acrylic platform and on 2 sides cornering each other put black backgrounds, then i would be halfway there.

I want to achieve exactly as what you pictured here but im still lost, where do i put my lights then? do i have to use a snoot to beam the light in from far away so theres no softbox which will reflect again maybe?


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May 26, 2008 09:57 |  #14

Lights are on the sides and top. Black acrylic on bottom, flat black background. Got to go for a few hours.... I can help more tonight. Reed the DIY light box thread here........ https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=281524


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May 26, 2008 10:11 |  #15

macobee wrote in post #5598105 (external link)
hey mark, thanks, interesting......so lets say if i'd take black acrylic platform and on 2 sides cornering each other put black backgrounds, then i would be halfway there.

that's exactly what I was posting about in message #8 !


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