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May 27, 2008 02:40 |  #1

I have been really trying to get tack sharp images of landscapes and don't seem to be able to get that tack sharpness. I have tried with the the 10-22mm and also the 24-105L and was pretty much dissapointed with the results. Although I can sharpen the images with Photoshop and get slightly better results ... I think I am missing something. I recentely compared some Macro shots at 100mm with the 24/105 at 100mm and my 100mm 2.8 prime and was shocked at how much better the prime 100mm was ... even though the 24/105 mm was an L lens. So I am not seriously thinking of buying a prime Landscape lens. I have both the 5D and 40D ... but I don't want to use the 5D because I cannot get a decent result with high aperatures due to dust on the sensor (I can never seem to get it clean) and for landscapes I want to be able to get a very high depth of field. I do plan to upgrade to the next 5D but for now I will stick to the 40D and will stick with the 1.6X crop.

What is your best results for good landscapes ... which lens do you like ... do you use filters and if so which would you recommend.

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May 27, 2008 02:47 |  #2

17-40, 24-105, 70-200 is my main stable.
CP a must and then Cokin P system with grad filters or simalar.


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May 27, 2008 02:47 |  #3

I would say a nice lens for crop and full frame. Sigma 12-24mm which is really eyeing me up.

24-105L bundled with my 5D is razor sharp even wide open. If you clean your camera and look after it, you shouldnt have a problem with dust on the sensor. If you do, just clone it out.

Best results for landscapes, I have to say, 5D+17-40 or 12-24. On a crop body, Sigma 10-20 or Sigma 12-24.


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May 27, 2008 03:09 |  #4

35/1.4
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14/2.8ii

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May 27, 2008 03:10 |  #5

jakes wrote in post #5603266 (external link)
or
14/2.8ii

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If you like your tree lening over :lol:


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May 27, 2008 05:34 |  #6

17-55 is a great lens for this. I have the 24-105, 10-22 and many more... the 17-55 is my first choice in the bunch. Make sure you're using your f/stop smart if you want tack sharp. ;)




  
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May 27, 2008 06:39 |  #7

Well, some would say you have to use medium or large format to really do it. :)

It always interests me that people ask for the best lens or best camera or etc. Fact is there is no best lens. but on a 40D the 10-22 is quite good as well as the 17-85, but it really depends on the particular landscape, composition, light etc. which are all much more important (usually) than the lens.

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May 27, 2008 07:12 as a reply to  @ kenyc's post |  #8

A lot depends on your own style.

I favour wide angles and use a 17-40 on a 5D but I have a friend who gets most of his stuff with a 70-200 as he likes more compressed perspectives.

Far more important for sharp images is a sturdy tripod in my opinion.

If you think your tripod is already too much to carry go and get a heavier one. ;)


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May 27, 2008 07:39 |  #9

Are you using a tripod?Are you at f8 or f11? Are you focusing about one third of the way into the scene? I'm not getting sharp images is very vague. Tell us what you are doing or try posting an image or two. It is possible that your lenses need calibration but more then likely it is something in your work flow.


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May 27, 2008 07:43 |  #10

Every image on my site (below) was taken using a 24-105L on a 5D, works great for landscapes.




  
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May 27, 2008 07:52 |  #11

>>I cannot get a decent result with high aperatures due to dust on the sensor (I can never seem to get it clean) and for landscapes I want to be able to get a very high depth of field.

Sounds like you might be shooting at f/22 ?


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May 27, 2008 07:57 |  #12

spear wrote in post #5603183 (external link)
I have been really trying to get tack sharp images of landscapes and don't seem to be able to get that tack sharpness. I have tried with the the 10-22mm and also the 24-105L and was pretty much dissapointed with the results. Although I can sharpen the images with Photoshop and get slightly better results ... I think I am missing something. I recentely compared some Macro shots at 100mm with the 24/105 at 100mm and my 100mm 2.8 prime and was shocked at how much better the prime 100mm was ... even though the 24/105 mm was an L lens. So I am not seriously thinking of buying a prime Landscape lens. I have both the 5D and 40D ... but I don't want to use the 5D because I cannot get a decent result with high aperatures due to dust on the sensor (I can never seem to get it clean) and for landscapes I want to be able to get a very high depth of field. I do plan to upgrade to the next 5D but for now I will stick to the 40D and will stick with the 1.6X crop.

What is your best results for good landscapes ... which lens do you like ... do you use filters and if so which would you recommend.

Thanks

There's no 'set' lens for landscape photography...I use all the lenses in my signature, even the fisheye if the scene would make a good subject for it. You shouldn't be surprised that the 100 macro prime is 'sharper' than the 24-105L...primes definitely have the advantage (even though modern zooms are closing the gap), and the 100 macro is one of Canon's sharpest. As far as not using the 5D, that's a step backwards in my opinion...its my primary camera body for landscapes. If you're worried about dust, clean the sensor.

As far as filters go, definitely use a good, high-quality CPL. Graduated neutral density filters (GND's) are also a good tool to have in your bag. I wouldn't recommend the Cokin P-size for the following reason: landscapes are generally shot with a wider angle lens, and the Cokin P wide angle holder will only accommodate a single filter (one slot). There will be times when you will have the need to stack GND's, so your filter holder must have more than one slot (Cokin Z-Pro or Lee holder...of these two, the Lee is the better). Also, don't be afraid to use a polarizer in tandem with a GND filter. I have two posts of Havasu Falls in this thread somewhere (Landscape forum, since this thread has been moved)...these were shot with a 3-stop GND filter and a CPL, and shot with a 5D/24-105L. After the CPL and GND's, a set of ND filters can be useful and provide some very creative shots.

Filters can get expensive, especially if you have a lot of lenses with different filter sizes. I was careful when setting up my collection to minimize this, and my primary landscape lenses share a common filter size (no need for multiple adapter rings or CPLs). May be something for you to consider.

As far as sharpness goes, a lot will depend on your PP skills (as well as exposure settings). With a FF camera like the 5D, try not to go smaller than f16, or f11 on a crop camera (this is where diffraction begins to set in and will definitely make your images "unsharp"). Some diffraction effects can be corrected in PP, but I'm not sure of the limitations of the software. Basically, I do sharpening in three steps: first, a capture sharpening when I bring a RAW file into PS, after making my edit adjustments, I then perform what's called "creative "sharpening". When that's all done, the third step is "output sharpening", and this depends on what I intend to do with the image (web sharpening, or sharpening for a specific print size). I also set up an action in PS to take care of the capture sharpening automatically. Its generally best to do sharpening in multiple, small steps than to do it all in one big step.

One last thing...take the 5D out of the bag...this camera was made for landscapes. About the the only thing I'd replace mine with would be the 21 megapixel MkIII.


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May 27, 2008 08:35 |  #13

The brand new Tokina 11-16, it's got excellent MTF, I'm considering it myself.


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May 27, 2008 08:36 |  #14

Anything from 12-300mm can be a great landscape lens (and that's just what's in my bag!)


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May 27, 2008 08:56 as a reply to  @ EOSAddict's post |  #15

12-400mm

I have a selection of lenses ranging from 12mm to 400mm, Which focal length I will use depends on my personal requirements for the image.

I tend to do most of my shooting with either the 17-55mm f/2.8 IS or 70-200mm f/4L IS lenses because these two lenses (on 2 cameras) are my go-to lens duo and the lenses which I most often carry.

Using a tripod and shooting at f/8 or f/11 keeps my imagery sharp. I will also most often shoot using ISO 100 but am not afraid to boost my ISO up a bit when necessary.

I tend not to use wide lenses for landscape work. Although I have a 12-24mm Tokina which I dearly love; I most often use this lens when I am in cramped locations and absolutely need the wide angle or when I want to accentuate a prominent nearby subject. Just shooting with a wide lens to cover a lot of area is boring to me.

If I need a wider vista for landscapes, I will most often use a pano technique. IMO, panos are relatively easy to shoot and are much more pleasing - especially when shot with the camera in the vertical position. Shooting in the vertical position allows me to "pack pixels" into an image. A longer focal length lens, used in the vertical or portrait position, will give the same top-to-bottom coverage as a wider lens used in the landscape or horizontal position. The left-to-right coverage of any pano image depends solely on the number of images you are willing to combine.

This post gives a good example of the difference between a pano versus the scene shot with a wide focal length lens. IMO the pano wins hands down.

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