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Jun 03, 2008 00:29 |  #1

Hello all,
It's been couple of weeks since I posted. The weather was really bad and I had no please going out with my camera. This week we have a very nice weather and I went for a walk with my friend yesterday and took my camera.
I took some shots which I like. What do you think?


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Jun 03, 2008 00:35 |  #2

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Jun 03, 2008 10:47 as a reply to  @ Ferrari_Alex's post |  #3

They are quite pleasing Alex! Colors are sharp and vivid....

Have you tried cropping out some of the foreground in the first?


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Jun 03, 2008 10:51 |  #4

Nice work. I like the second one, the detail on the tree trunk is great. Well done.

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Jun 03, 2008 12:07 |  #5

I really like #3. Its something about this picture that makes me thing of the wizard of oz, I know that must sound silly but If you look at the front of the bark the one thats facing the water it looks like it has a face or something. Anyways great job.


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Jun 03, 2008 13:57 |  #6

Thanks to all of you for your feedback. I did not try cropping, not sure what effect would I want to achieve. I might wanna try and will see what will happen.
Wizard...help me to see his face:-))) You have an even bigger imagination:-)


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Jun 03, 2008 16:00 |  #7

Hee.. Hee.. I hope this helps you to see the walking apple tree from the "wizard of oz":).

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Jun 04, 2008 01:59 |  #8

Yeah, I see a wizard now:-)


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Jun 04, 2008 04:45 |  #9

There are another 7 shots from the same day in this gallery.
Would be nice to hear your feedback. Thanks a Lot!!! I would really appreciate your honest feedback.
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Jun 04, 2008 13:54 |  #10

You asked for honest so I will be, but I'm afraid my comments will seem very harsh. I looked at your photos on smugmug as well.

My overall impression is that you picked a very poor time of day for these photos. Actually the quality of light looks quite promising but the direction is all wrong. The rich blue sky looks lovely but you have large areas of featureless black shadows in several of the pictures. In some it looks like there is perhaps a nice little element of interest (boat, for example) in the middle distance but it hardly stands out because it is in the shade and you seem to have underexposed in order to achieve your colour in the sky. In general the compositions are very centred, with the horizon dividing the middle of the image and the subject (if there is one) pretty much centred. I don't really find much to interest me in most of the photos and those with more promise are let down by the light.

Taking the shots in turn on smugmug....

1. Tree - Light is OK but I think you are cropped in rather tightly on the tree and there is the temptation of that lovely lake that is just out of reach. I'd like wider framing to show some more lake and put the tree in the left hand third of the picture, not dead centre. The woman on the bench in the background is a distraction.

2. Silhouette - Nice idea but there is simply too much featureless black. The amount of interest created by the horizon and tree in the foreground is pretty small. If I may, I'd like to share this example of a silhouette photo over water. Sure the blacks are black but there is, I feel, a bit more of interest in the silhouette shapes and the foreground and background too.

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3. "Framed" view over lake - For my tastes you have left far too much dense, dark, almost featureless framing from the foliage at the sides. Colour balance looks over-warm but maybe that is accurate. I seem to remember in the past I thought several of your photos were too warm. Have you calibrated your monitor yet? How are you setting white balance? I find little of interest in the scene that is lit, through the trees.

4. Bridge - The bridge over on the right looks like it might be an interesting feature but it is lost in the shadows and is very small in the frame. All we really have in the picture to draw the eye is a small sunlit patch on the far bank with nothing of real interest there.

5. Boat on right - The boat is very small and lost in the shadows, with just a small shaft of light to catch the eye. Is that your subject? The building on the left detracts from the scene. I think you would have done better to zoom (or crop) in tighter and lose the building completely and make the boat a stronger focal point. You still have the problem that it is disappearing into the shadows. I can't tell if it is moving towards you or away from you but there looks to be a lighter patch of water slightly nearer to you. Maybe shooting 30 seconds earlier or later would have placed the boat in the light and made it more visually significant (bigger and brighter).

6. View across the lake to tiny people - Again, details are so small as to be insignificant. Is there a subject here? I don't think that as a scene it is very interesting. There's really no foreground interest, except the top of a fence stump that was probably not intended to be in the frame. There is something in the water that might be interesting but I cannot tell what it is.

7. Building - This has a reasonably good balance of subject to setting but again you have an excess of featureless black in the frame. I'm all for naturally framing the scene but there is too much "nothing" on the left. I think you could have zoomed (cropped) in closer to lose the black and emphasise the building more. The light is not too bad here (except the black bit) but I do wonder how the building might have looked when bathed in glorious setting sun - but that kind of depends on which way it is facing.

8. Centred Boat - The boat is slap bang in the middle of the frame and heading towards a depressing shady area. The eye is drawn to the sunlit background, which is too distant to reveal detail or interest. What was your intended subject?

9. Distant building and chopped off boat - You've lifted the shadows on the left but now the sky seems blown out. Maybe some PP could fix it but I think a different time of day and different direction of light would serve you better. I'm not too sure about the chopped off boat. If you'd panned a few degrees to the right you would have all the boat and lost some of the left hand framing, which frankly is more than you need. I also don't know if my eyes need fixing but in this and the previous shot it looks like the verticals of the building are not quite vertical, but that could be an optical illusion. An overlaid grid would confirm one way or the other.

10. Peacock - This could be a stunning shot, but, sadly, it seems to be lacking detail on the bird and actually the colours do look a bit weird. Did you blow the blue channel in your exposure? Have you increased contrast and/or sharpening a little too much, or has smugmug destroyed your fine work? Maybe it's just the jpeg downsizing that simply can't hold the fine feather detail. It would be nice to see a larger version.

11. The best of the bunch, by far - Nice composition, lovely tone of light, subject and setting well balanced. Almost no distracting elements. A lovely scene. The icing on the cake would be to clone out the vehicles in the distance, and also their reflection.

Sorry for the harsh comments but you did ask for honest. Still, they're only *my* opinion so that doesn't really count for much :)



  
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Jun 05, 2008 04:43 |  #11

Hello Tim,
Thanks you very much for your feedback. This is exactly what I needed. I can go back and "fix" my approach.
I have several questions and I hope you can clarify this to me. The place where all shots were taken is a park, public property. It is not open 24/7...I checked last time and they open the park for people at 5 AM. Sunrise starts at 3:53 the following Saturday and it means that by 5:15 AM it will be too late to catch the good light. Ideally I have to be there well in advance to find the best spot and wait for the light. This is not very much possible...
Later in the day? Maybe, I can try. By there will be shades anyway, I am not going to change it. You say the direction of light is the solution? Then I would need to be in a totally different side of the lake and the different side of the building. There will be no boat over there. Besides, I couldn't change anything in the direction of boat. It just happened that shades were all over the place. I think that early morning would be the way to go, but again...park open at 5 AM and it might be too late.

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Jun 05, 2008 04:59 |  #12

I agree with the critique from tdodd, especially regarding the blocked shadows area. You can either bracket your shots and blend the exposures in Photoshop or shoot RAW and develop for the shadows and highlights and blend.

There's a lot of information available on how to blend images in Photoshop.


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Jun 05, 2008 05:03 |  #13

I dare say someone with more talent and creativity than me could come up with better suggestions but here are my thoughts....

I think you have to pick your subject and your lighting. Sometimes there is nothing you can do to improve these things. Just because it is there does not mean it will make a good photograph. Something that may look good to the eye may simply not photograph well. That's not to say that you won't be able to get good shots at this location but obviously your options are limited.

The lack of range on your lens is also constraining what you can do. To summarise your two main problems....

- Your pictures contain too much deep featureless shadow;
- Your subject, or any focal point of interest is really too small.

If you can't change the light then you need to frame the shot to lose (most of) the featureless shadows. You can either do that by zooming in closer or cropping closer. The same solution applies to the size of your subject as well.

Sometimes it is unclear what your subject is meant to be as you seem to have included too many non-complementary features. Get in tighter and narrow the composition to focus/draw the gaze on what is important in the shot.

Something else you could look at - some contrast is good, between sunlight and shadow, but your pictures contain too much of both. Again, by zooming or cropping in tighter perhaps you could pick a scene that is all in sunlight, with small natural shadows, or a scene that is all in shade, with odd patches of sun to add sparkle. The problem you now have is that you really need two completely different exposures and two completely different white balances because each of your compositions contains two entirely different sets of lighting.




  
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