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Jul 23, 2008 05:22 |  #346
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tzalman wrote in post #5966982 (external link)
That is a very strange thing for any competent reviewer to write. DOF is not dependent on an individual lens and would be the same for any lens at the same focal length and aperture.

Besides, narrow DOF makes focusing easier because there is a greater difference between focused and unfocused. That is one of the reasons SLR's focus with the aperture at its widest.


I actually wonder about that review. Seems a bit rushed to me.


Summary of the review:
Talk about the range on a FF and crop.
Talk about it being difficult to handle because slight movements can make a difference.
Therefore need OS (IS)
Talk about the OS
Say it's big and heavy - need to make sure you really need this length.
Talk about the mechanics of the lens (zoom, tripod collar)
Autofocus = fast/smooth.
HSM = full time manual overide.

Then...
"Accurate focusing remains a bit of a knack, as with all long lenses, not just this one. At these focal lengths there's almost no DOF at all, and the slightest movement of the part of your subject can send it out of focus. It's often better to 'prefocus' rather than try to follow a moving subject."

"The Sigma felt very good in use... disappointing, then, to find that the pictures didn't look particularly crisp, particularly those taken at longer focal lengths. The focusing was spot-on and the shutter speeds were usually high enough to prevent camera shake with or without the OS

The lens tests confirmed this impression at 150mm the Singma is not a bad performer, producing photos with fair to good levels of detail. But by 250mm sharpness has dropped to a point where images look visibly soft, and at 500mm they're softer still.

A second set of tests confirmed the figures gained in the first = disappointing in a lens costing 750 (british pounds) whatever it's specs and abilities."

They then go on to say the 50-500 is sharper but a bit more expensive.\ (but with no OS).

This is their own example at 500mm (posted before):
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Looks like they didn't focus properly (sure it looks "soft" if you look at the eyes... but the NOSE is in focus....) oh and perhaps stopping down a bit might help even a higher ISO to get it stopped down a bit more for more DOF?



  
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Jul 23, 2008 05:53 |  #347

Stealthy Ninja wrote in post #5967027 (external link)
I actually wonder about that review. Seems a bit rushed to me.

Looks like they didn't focus properly (sure it looks "soft" if you look at the eyes... but the NOSE is in focus....) oh and perhaps stopping down a bit might help even a higher ISO to get it stopped down a bit more for more DOF?


In my view, you get sharper images when you stop down to F7.1 and slightly better at F8 as well. I've tried this both handheld (OS "On") and with a tripod (OS "off").

I've not been very successful with flight photography or Panning shots yet. I wasn't successful with my earlier lens either - so can't point a finger at BigmOS :)


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Jul 23, 2008 05:56 |  #348
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Girish wrote in post #5967109 (external link)
In my view, you get sharper images when you stop down to F7.1 and slightly better at F8 as well. I've tried this both handheld (OS "On") and with a tripod (OS "off").

I've not been very successful with flight photography or Panning shots yet. I wasn't successful with my earlier lens either - so can't point a finger at BigmOS :)

Yeah, that's what I though. The shots they made with the lens actually look OK to me. Not very soft.

BTW the ISO was 400 on that shot.
With a bit of a sharpen, they look fine to me. Certainly worth more than 5/10 for quality.

100% crop:


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Jul 23, 2008 06:26 |  #349

Girish wrote in post #5967109 (external link)
In my view, you get sharper images when you stop down to F7.1 and slightly better at F8 as well. I've tried this both handheld (OS "On") and with a tripod (OS "off").

I've not been very successful with flight photography or Panning shots yet. I wasn't successful with my earlier lens either - so can't point a finger at BigmOS :)

Girish:

I just got mine yesterday afternoon and was wondering if you were swtiching to the OS2 mode for your panning shots? From reading that is the setting for tracking objects laterally according to the owners, well, pamphlet... ;)

Anyway, was just curious as I have not had near the time to try this mode yet...too much cave cleaning before the better-half gets home tomorrow...amazing what a guy can do to a place in a month...hahaha  :o


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Jul 23, 2008 06:38 |  #350
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brecklundin wrote in post #5967188 (external link)
Girish:

I just got mine yesterday afternoon and was wondering if you were swtiching to the OS2 mode for your panning shots? From reading that is the setting for tracking objects laterally according to the owners, well, pamphlet... ;)

Anyway, was just curious as I have not had near the time to try this mode yet...too much cave cleaning before the better-half gets home tomorrow...amazing what a guy can do to a place in a month...hahaha  :o


Once I was staying at this place (room and board) when I was in university.

Anyway, I had this project to do (making a poster) so I totally messed up my land ladies lounge room. It was cool though, because she wasn't coming back for a few days.

It was late, so I finished, went to bed... got up in the morning went to uni.

When I get back... huh? The lounge room is tidy!

Turns out her friend died or something and she had to come back early... nice to come home to such a mess... but she wasn't mad! She just tidied it up.

I apologised to say the least, but she was cool about it.

I guess the lack of beer bottles etc. let her know it wasn't a party.




  
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Jul 23, 2008 07:36 as a reply to  @ Stealthy Ninja's post |  #351

Stealthy Ninja wrote in post #5966204 (external link)
This lens only got 6/10 in Digital Photographer mag.

Any comments?

I would say 8/10. 6/10 could be due to a bad copy, but after reading everything you have written about their review I would say the reviewer doesn't know what the hack he/she is doing.

The only minuses I will give the lens are:

- lack of a focus limit switch to speed up AF
- OS can be twitchy, but not all the time
- zoom ring is very stiff, but will loosen with time. You can actually pull the barrel out like the 100-400 easier. :rolleyes:
- Doesn't fit in my Domke very well. ;)


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Jul 23, 2008 09:36 |  #352

brecklundin wrote in post #5967188 (external link)
Girish:

I just got mine yesterday afternoon and was wondering if you were swtiching to the OS2 mode for your panning shots? From reading that is the setting for tracking objects laterally according to the owners, well, pamphlet... ;)

I read the manual that OS2 mode is for panning. But I haven't tried out extensively. Well, it's been over a month that I have my lens and I must say I'm quite happy with it.

I'd posted some 100% crops in the other 150-500 thread. I'll post some more recent ones in the next couple of days to give an idea of what results I get.

And yes, all I need is a week by myself (and few friends come over) to turn our home into some unmanageable :) One month is too long ! :D


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Jul 23, 2008 09:42 |  #353

Stealthy Ninja wrote in post #5967118 (external link)
Yeah, that's what I though. The shots they made with the lens actually look OK to me. Not very soft.

Ninja,

These 100% crops can be subjective and this is how I interpret it - and I say this because if the subject is big (like the one you posted) OR the camera is reasonably close to smaller subject, you'll not notice much drop in IQ. Views welcome on this.

I'm quite ok with your 100% crop and I've found my results to be something similar as well.

For a lens that gives the reach of 500 at the given price, it's quite good. It definitely can't be compared with any 500primes, can it ??

Will post my recent images soon.


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Jul 23, 2008 09:44 |  #354

In2Photos wrote in post #5967471 (external link)
I would say 8/10. 6/10 could be due to a bad copy, but after reading everything you have written about their review I would say the reviewer doesn't know what the hack he/she is doing.

The only minuses I will give the lens are:

- lack of a focus limit switch to speed up AF
- OS can be twitchy, but not all the time
- zoom ring is very stiff, but will loosen with time. You can actually pull the barrel out like the 100-400 easier. :rolleyes:
- Doesn't fit in my Domke very well. ;)

Yep, the ring does loosen up. After a month of us, the zoom ring has loosened up. When I point it skywards, the lens tends to move back to lower focal lengths, at times. :D . Couple of instances where I realized after I took the shot as well. One shot came out at 439mm :D :D

I'd liked this to be f4 at 150 and f5.6 at 500. That would have been something else, I think !! Greedy me :)


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Jul 23, 2008 10:06 |  #355
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Girish wrote in post #5968062 (external link)
Ninja,

These 100% crops can be subjective and this is how I interpret it - and I say this because if the subject is big (like the one you posted) OR the camera is reasonably close to smaller subject, you'll not notice much drop in IQ. Views welcome on this.

I'm quite ok with your 100% crop and I've found my results to be something similar as well.

For a lens that gives the reach of 500 at the given price, it's quite good. It definitely can't be compared with any 500primes, can it ??

Will post my recent images soon.

This shot wasn't mine (I don't own the lens) it was included with a magazine that gave the lens a low score. It is from a full size sample jpeg.

I guess it depends what you're photographing. Still you can see in that shot, the nose in pretty well in focus.




  
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Jul 23, 2008 10:27 |  #356

Stealthy Ninja wrote in post #5968180 (external link)
This shot wasn't mine (I don't own the lens) it was included with a magazine that gave the lens a low score. It is from a full size sample jpeg.

I guess it depends what you're photographing. Still you can see in that shot, the nose in pretty well in focus.

Agree with you on the focus point. Here's my 100% crop of an Eagle and Parakeet that I took recently -


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Jul 23, 2008 11:30 as a reply to  @ Girish's post |  #357

Got a few today but nothing brilliant. Taken in our local Botanical Garden (Kirstenbosch) and lots of people around making birds jittery. Also most are really tiny, so difficult to AF on (excuses excuses!!!).

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Jul 23, 2008 12:03 |  #358

took this the other day with mine at the lake


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Jul 23, 2008 13:03 |  #359

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Got a few today but nothing brilliant. Taken in our local Botanical Garden (Kirstenbosch) and lots of people around making birds jittery. Also most are really tiny, so difficult to AF on (excuses excuses!!!).
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No need to make excuses. Those look great!


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Jul 23, 2008 15:40 as a reply to  @ In2Photos's post |  #360

I think I am getting the hang of it. These are hand held. 500mm. OS on. 20D Canon. f8. Have I mentioned I like it?


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