Got an interesting email reply

Negotiate.

hortonsl62 wrote in post #5699704
Take two CF cards with you...............

I usually take like 4 or 5...what's this have to do with anything?

Tell them that it's one year, non exclusive and you retain the copyright.

Unless I would be able to make money off of this elsewhere, I'd just go as a spectator and enjoy the event (if they allow cameras in, no loss other than the angle and distance). No sense in giving away photos unless you get something equally valuable in return.

basroil wrote in post #5701664
....No sense in giving away photos unless you get something equally valuable in return.

You are - media access and the chance to get up close and personal at track-side. Surely that has its own inherant "price" built in.

In these circumstances I don't see anything wrong with maybe allowing them to use the photo's for their "own use" - i.e. web site and/or advertising, although I would expressly prohibit them from "selling them on" (or even giving them away) to any third party.

TJ

Village_Idiot wrote in post #5701604
I usually take like 4 or 5...what's this have to do with anything?

Tell them that it's one year, non exclusive and you retain the copyright.

He was suggesting to use one to take pictures, then swap in the other and snap a few to give to the event coordinators.

In other words, dupe them by giving them phony shots and keeping your real shots.

Village_Idiot wrote in post #5701604
I usually take like 4 or 5...what's this have to do with anything?

Tell them that it's one year, non exclusive and you retain the copyright.

Which photos you surrender is up to you. If you think you don't want to provide all of them, don't.

So, you control how much 'value' you're giving up at the end of the day.

jonnythan wrote in post #5701983
He was suggesting to use one to take pictures, then swap in the other and snap a few to give to the event coordinators.

In other words, dupe them by giving them phony shots and keeping your real shots.

No way am I going to do that. I have no issues with giving them web sized photos, and to be honest I'd much rather do THAT than dupe people.

jonnythan wrote in post #5701983
He was suggesting to use one to take pictures, then swap in the other and snap a few to give to the event coordinators.

In other words, dupe them by giving them phony shots and keeping your real shots.

How many event coordinators have a guy with a laptop and cf card reader following you around? Most I know will wait until you have the finished product and if you're shooting something like this, they're not going to be worried about what your pictures look like during the event because they're going to be busy taking care of everything else.

I think the post was, more or less, in jest. And I'm glad to hear that Borbor wouldn't do it anyway.

PhotosGuy wrote in post #5701435
Negotiate.

I'll second that.

You want to shoot. They're going to let you but they want something to show for it. It's time to call them back and figure out exactly what type of rights they want. Full rights to all photos may cut you out of future profit, if that's what you're looking for. Barely any rights at all, they might withdraw their offer. Get on the phone, and talk it out.

Figure out what's acceptable. For all you know, they may only be interested in the top 5 or 10 images you capture, and they may only want them for a year or two for their own file photos. Certainly no need for compensation there. On the other hand, if they expect full rights for an unlimited amount of time for all the pictures, and plan to use them for anything that's going to generate revenue (T-shirts, mugs, products, etc), then I'd probably have a complaint about doing it (for the reasons you said.. don't want to identify yourself as a free source of images).

So get on the phone, find out what exactly they want, and then NEGOTIATE. I'm sure you'll come to an arrangement that's acceptable to the both of you.

ChrisRabior wrote in post #5702925
I'll second that.

You want to shoot. They're going to let you but they want something to show for it. It's time to call them back and figure out exactly what type of rights they want. Full rights to all photos may cut you out of future profit, if that's what you're looking for. Barely any rights at all, they might withdraw their offer. Get on the phone, and talk it out.

Figure out what's acceptable. For all you know, they may only be interested in the top 5 or 10 images you capture, and they may only want them for a year or two for their own file photos. Certainly no need for compensation there. On the other hand, if they expect full rights for an unlimited amount of time for all the pictures, and plan to use them for anything that's going to generate revenue (T-shirts, mugs, products, etc), then I'd probably have a complaint about doing it (for the reasons you said.. don't want to identify yourself as a free source of images).

So get on the phone, find out what exactly they want, and then NEGOTIATE. I'm sure you'll come to an arrangement that's acceptable to the both of you.

In my case there was no negotiation. It was their terms and I had to agree to them in order to gain media access. In fact, it wasnt even the media access that they cared about, it was coverage. They were going around to every person with anything more than a P&S and making them sign forms for exclusivity.

cory1848 wrote in post #5703608
In my case there was no negotiation. It was their terms and I had to agree to them in order to gain media access. In fact, it wasnt even the media access that they cared about, it was coverage. They were going around to every person with anything more than a P&S and making them sign forms for exclusivity.

Unless it's posted out front or printed on the ticket, can they enforce that?

photoguy6405 wrote in post #5703742
Unless it's posted out front or printed on the ticket, can they enforce that?

Not after they've allowed you access, surely?

TJ

TeeJay wrote in post #5703847
Not after they've allowed you access, surely?

TJ

If its on private property, they can ask you to stop at anytime they want, if you don't comply they can force you to leave, being that its their property.

I agree with photoguy here.. They are not asking for you to give up your rights for the photos or are they asking to keep your photos for themselves. However, it's a barter system. They give you access, something you didn't have in the first place for the "use" of photos". As long as they don't sell them and they give you credit, you don't have anything to argue about in my opinion. If you want a job, then ask them if they want or need someone to shoot their events for them. Simple.