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Firing A Shoe Mount Flash In To A Standard Speed Ring: Solutions?

 
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Jun 11, 2008 18:10 as a reply to  @ post 5704673 |  #16

Here's my solution, Robert: Of course, I have the advantage of having a Lastolite EZYbox Hotshoe on hand. The Lastolite mounting hardware has been pressed into service on more than a few occasions.

In any case, here's what we start with, the Lastolite hotshoe flash mount:

IMAGE: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/2571726474_8f3786c571_o.jpg

We don't need the ring part of this assemblage since we'll be mounting the business end to a "real" speedring in a moment. Here's the part we'll be using:

IMAGE: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3178/2571726504_48a5e08477_o.jpg

To mount this hotshoe flash bracket to my Amvona speedring, I carefully drilled and tapped a 1/4-20 hole into one of the webs on the ring:

IMAGE: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2570900323_87f15187d0_o.jpg

Placement of the hole is actually *very* critical because we want the two tiny registration pins on the Lastolite bracket to just peer over the Amvona casting. The pins prevent the bracket from swinging to and fro. Here's the assembled ring and bracket. You can see the two registration pins:


IMAGE: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/2570900265_2b19b6e8b5_o.jpg

The finished product in all its glory:

IMAGE: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3108/2570900247_b30a865499_o.jpg

And with an ancient Vivitar 283 on board:

IMAGE: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2570900221_19b4182d28_o.jpg

IMAGE: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3014/2570900233_b017a3b6b4_o.jpg

So, in my case, one really well-placed hole was all that was required to allow mating a shoe-mount flash to the full-sized, metal speedring that came with my Amvona softbox.

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Jun 11, 2008 18:22 as a reply to  @ tetrode's post |  #17

Looks good Dave. Nice mod. Mine is different and you'll see it tomorrow.

Regarding the hot spot... ALL GONE!!!

I've done this type of experiment before so I sort of guessed a little and my first guess worked perfectly. I'm firing the flash in standard landscape orientation in to a 36" x 48" softbox in it's standard vertical orientation and have perfectly even light from center to edge, long or short.

The softbox I'm using is a Photoflex 36" x 48" LiteDome Q39 with the internal baffle and front diffusion panel in place. I took a piece of aluminum foil that was about 50% the size of the internal baffle and taped it to the baffle with the shiny side facing the flash head.
It works just like a beauty dish by reflecting the light directed forward at the center towards the back and sides which further diffuses the light and reduces the hot spot.

Now when I take a reading I get no more than 1/10 stop difference between the center and edge. Very simple. :D


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Jun 11, 2008 18:38 |  #18

TMR Design wrote in post #5704936 (external link)
Looks good Dave. Nice mod. Mine is different and you'll see it tomorrow.

I'm *really* looking forward to seeing what you've come up with, Robert. Your description has me scratching my head.

Regarding your softbox mod: You should give some thought to marketing adhesive backed 8x10 pieces of aluminum foil. Give 'em a catchy name like "Softblox" and charge $29.95 each.

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Jun 12, 2008 01:27 |  #19

Chimera sell them.


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Jun 12, 2008 05:46 as a reply to  @ Mike V's post |  #20

Nope. People keep suggesting plastic speedrings and shoe mount flash kits that are flimsy.

The concept, as stated in the original post is to use an aluminum speed ring to accommodate larger modifiers of different shapes.

I already have and use one of those lightweight plastic rings and brackets.


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Jun 12, 2008 10:09 |  #21

TMR Design wrote in post #5707693 (external link)
Nope. People keep suggesting plastic speedrings and shoe mount flash kits that are flimsy.

The concept, as stated in the original post is to use an aluminum speed ring to accommodate larger modifiers of different shapes.

I already have and use one of those lightweight plastic rings and brackets.

I have older Photoflex and Chimera speedrings that are heavy plastic that I use on larger softboxes. They look to be some sort of filled plastic.

They are rugged and work fine.

I have looked at them carefully and except for the "Photoflex" and "Chimera" markings appear to be identical. Possibly a third party was making them for both concerns.

Often it is not just the material used, but the overall execution that matters. I have some newer metal speedrings here that are not nearly the quality of these discussed plastic rings.

Enjoy! Lon


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Jun 12, 2008 10:29 as a reply to  @ FlashZebra's post |  #22

Hi Lon,

I'm speaking from my own experience with the Photoflex plastic ring. It's fairly strong for what it is but once I attach my larger softbox to it you can immediately see that the weight and stress is not evenly distributed to the 4 rods. The weight is pulling down hard on the top 2 and the shape of the box becomes distorted.

For my tastes, all the aluminum brackets including the Photoflex is made of lightweight materials and the fittings are not what I want in a piece of hardware like that.

The other point that I think you're overlooking is that my intent is primarily to be able to fire a shoe mount flash in an octabox and all the flash bracket kits come with a square plastic speed ring that has 4 holes for the rods.. one in each corner. There is no provision for the extra 4 rods in an octabox.

That is what led me to the Photoflex or compatible speed rings. They have the threaded mounting holes in a few places on the outer perimeter of the ring which allows the speed ring to take the weight of the modifier, not the flash bracket. They are also octa-rings.

With the bracket I've made it also separates the flash/bracket/pocket wizard assembly from the speed ring and modifier and that makes the whole thing easier to work with and easier to swap out flash for a strobe without taking the modifier off the stand, and allows you to just as easily swap the modifier for another without removing the bracket and reattaching anything.

As usual with custom DIY's, my solution may not be the best for everyone but it is the perfect solution for my needs and the way my brain works.

The bracket is being painted now and UPS should be delivering the aluminum cold shoe's in a few hours.

I'll show my little doo-dad of a bracket later this afternoon or early evening.


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Jun 13, 2008 14:36 as a reply to  @ TMR Design's post |  #23

Ok guys, here it is.

I didn't do this as a DIY with documented materials, dimensions and procedure.

Later this evening I'll post some pictures with the bracket mounted with a flash and Pocket Wizard. The round rod at the end is inserted in the hole for the umbrella in the Bogen umbrella bracket, and there's a dimple that the thumb screw sets inside so that the bracket can't turn or flip over.

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Jun 13, 2008 15:49 |  #24

TMR Design wrote in post #5716646 (external link)
The round rod at the end is inserted in the hole for the umbrella

This is the same approach I use. Put the flash on a small fixture that fits into the umbrella hole.

I then attach the speedring directly on top of the umbrella adapter.

Enjoy! Lon


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Jun 13, 2008 16:33 |  #25

This might be a useful link for others trying to solve this problem...not the cheapest option, but they make quality stuff:

http://www.idcphotogra​phy.com …?p=catalog&pare​nt=24&pg=1 (external link)

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This might be a useful link for others trying to solve this problem...not the cheapest option, but they make quality stuff:

http://www.idcphotogra​phy.com …?p=catalog&pare​nt=24&pg=1 (external link)

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Far from the cheapest solution.


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Jun 13, 2008 23:31 |  #27

I have to ask Robert,

White or Silver interior, and what kind of Aperatures are you getting out of it with a speedlite(Im assuming the SB-800)?




  
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Jun 14, 2008 03:20 |  #28

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This is the same approach I use. Put the flash on a small fixture that fits into the umbrella hole.

I then attach the speedring directly on top of the umbrella adapter.

Enjoy! Lon


I could see a little problem of the SB can not be tilted downward far enough with that setup though.


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I have to ask Robert,

White or Silver interior, and what kind of Aperatures are you getting out of it with a speedlite(Im assuming the SB-800)?

Any box with any interior I choose.


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Jun 14, 2008 04:38 |  #30

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I could see a little problem of the SB can not be tilted downward far enough with that setup though.

Not so Lotto. It angles just fine and as I have posted in the past, when mounting the speed ring to the stand I also use a short arm or boom to allow for those angles.

I did my homework on this one. It may not work for you but it accomplishes exactly what I want and do it superbly wit no limitations.


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