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The Challenges of Glamour Photography

 
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Dec 27, 2004 13:28 as a reply to  @ post 362714 |  #1

Taking pictures of scantily clad woman sounds like a nightmare to me, specially, if my wife hears about it.

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charles complimented my shots today - I'm on a high!! Sorry to hijack.


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Dec 27, 2004 16:58 as a reply to  @ OneManArmy's post |  #3

Bloo one time, and one time only a lady I knew asked if I could take some pictures for her, as a present to her husband. They would be shot at their house in the afternoon. So I agreed....little did I know.

I get there and she is dressed in a robe. I told her I would get setup while she finished getting ready. That is when she laughed and dropped the robe to reveal that she was indeed ready, clad only in lingere and skimpy underwear.
I was a little nervous to say the least.
So we proceed to the bedroom where she begins to pose on the bed. I am snapping away and directing her. Finally after about 20 minutes I told her I think I have enough. I begin to pack up and she suggests that we do some more. So I put more film in and when I turn around she is buck nekked. Full blown porn is what she is wanting to do.
I couldn't wait to get out of there. I gave her 3 rolls of film, a suggestion for where she could get it developed, she gave me a check and I went on my way....quickly.
I don't know if she ever had the film developed or not. I avoided her from then on because I think she wanted to see my long lens and wasn't just interested in giving her husband pictures for a present.

I don't think I would ever agree to do anything like that again. When I got to the car, I was sweating!


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Dec 27, 2004 20:03 as a reply to  @ post 362714 |  #4

Bloo Dog wrote:
"CharlesU probably won't ever admit it, but nude model photography isn't all t*tt*es and beer either." --- Bloo Dog, former wedding photographer

Let's hear from another species of photographer: the Glamour Photographer. What's it like? What's the worst part of it? How did you get started? Do you EVER want it to end? What was your WORST shoot? Talk about your disasters. (No name dropping, please).

Come on. We know who you are. You're the guys walking around with shoe prints on your tongues.

We have ways of making you talk...

What's it like? Just like portrait work except the subject is often nude or in lingerie, sexy clothes, swimwear, etc. Well, ok, this is an oversimplification. But it's really not far off from the truth.

The worst part? There are several things but one stands out. You do meet some "unusual" people in this business. I am VERY picky as to who I might work with. At the minimum they need to be sincere/serious and behave in a professional manner. I usually expect a lot more than that.

How did I get started? I am a people shooter. That led to fine-art, which gradually worked into glamour. The glamour started because I was shooting models locally for a couple of agencies. Most of the girls were interested in some sort of fine-art work but ALL have wanted some glamour.

Do I EVER want it to end? Sometime, I'm sure. Frankly, it's hectic and demanding and almost everything gets old at some point. I've thought about slowing down. Switching to something else.

Worst shoot? No-shows. Late-shows. Models who just don't "click" in the studio. Models who misrepresent themselves.


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Dec 28, 2004 08:11 as a reply to  @ post 363367 |  #5

Answers inline....

Bloo Dog wrote:
Charles,

What I've seen of your work is nothing short of gorgeous. Is there much (if any) fee negotiation involved when a potential client approaches you? When I gained a certain market penetration in my wedding photography and my fees reflected industry standards, there were fewer prospective clients who even attempted to negotiate fees. What has been your experience?

It's always a negotiation process. I still have people approach me for portraits expecting 51 prints for $9.95 like Walmart's Portrait Shop. They don't understand a sitting fee and they choke on print prices.

For a VERY short time, I worked with models and had a few experiences in which their 'agents' (read:'boyfriends') got involved in the pre-shoot interview and as well as afterward and tried to get the negatives away from me through coercion. Did you have similar experiences when you started out? I am sure that being connected to talent agencies helps to filter most of these types out, but probably not all.

Boyfriends rarely mix with glamour photography. I try to avoid working with models whose boyfriends insist on being involved. Frankly, it's a trust issue that needs to be worked out between them and I don't need to be in the middle.

Also, I'm wondering about your experiences with labs. Until I got out of having to supply prints and began photographing with transparency film exclusively, I had nothing but problems with labs. It seemed that no amount of money could buy a properly printed image. I'd pay twenty-five bucks for a 5x7 (not a wedding reprint!) and there'd still be a dust spot or two. What do you give to your clients? Files? Prints? If prints, are you producing them yourself?

Output? Depends on the job. There are good labs where I am so quality prints are easy to obtain.

These questions are for all glamour photographers. I am addressing Charles because, well, he's here. (And he's my recently-discovered boyhood hero!) Everyone else is encouraged to join in.

Thanks but I'd like to hear from some others too!!!


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Dec 28, 2004 08:44 as a reply to  @ IndyJeff's post |  #6
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IndyJeff wrote:
I avoided her from then on because I think she wanted to see my long lens

ROFL!

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Dec 28, 2004 18:39 as a reply to  @ OneManArmy's post |  #7

From a female perspective:

I had a guy who was supposedly modeling for Nike, and Wilson (Tennis) and he had an array of outfits he brought to the studio.

I thought I had done a great job and showed them to a girlfriend. She turned red and puffed up her cheeks trying not to laugh, but she exploded! I wasn't sure why, but when she pointed to a proof and asked me if I thought he'd had a good time I could have died. His 'self' was poking out of the Speedos, and because I was so busy being "professional" and focusing on his eyes, I didn't even notice his um, excitement at the session. UGH! I felt pretty dumb!

Then there was the guy who supposedly only was dressing up as a woman for Halloween... Good Lord!


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Dec 28, 2004 23:08 as a reply to  @ cricket's post |  #8

This Is A New Twist From The Ordinary. :lol: It will be interesting if these stories keep gaining momentum.


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Dec 29, 2004 06:18 as a reply to  @ cricket's post |  #9

cricket wrote:
From a female perspective:

I had a guy who was supposedly modeling for Nike, and Wilson (Tennis) and he had an array of outfits he brought to the studio.

I thought I had done a great job and showed them to a girlfriend. She turned red and puffed up her cheeks trying not to laugh, but she exploded! I wasn't sure why, but when she pointed to a proof and asked me if I thought he'd had a good time I could have died. His 'self' was poking out of the Speedos, and because I was so busy being "professional" and focusing on his eyes, I didn't even notice his um, excitement at the session. UGH! I felt pretty dumb!

Then there was the guy who supposedly only was dressing up as a woman for Halloween... Good Lord!


LOL Now that's a problem I've never had. However, I have missed details in a shoot. It is very difficult sometimes to keep track of all details, maximizing the impact of the light, etc. and also make sure all wardrobe, hair, makeup, etc. is perfect. With an assistant or two you have twice or thrice the number of eyes checking for problems but it's still possible to miss a detail. Fortunately, it doesn't happen very often.

Usually, though, if something does slip, I see it immediately in the proof print or on the computer screen when I go to edit. Ughh.....


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Jan 03, 2005 01:49 as a reply to  @ IndyJeff's post |  #10

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I don't think I would ever agree to do anything like that again. When I got to the car, I was sweating!

Can you imagine if her husband walked in on you guys in the bedroom? You'd've had to become Indy-Flaming-Jeff to get out of that one. :cool:




  
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Jan 03, 2005 04:03 as a reply to  @ charlesu's post |  #11

charlesu wrote:
There are several things but one stands out.

This needs no further comment. ;)


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Jan 03, 2005 07:13 as a reply to  @ IndyJeff's post |  #12

IndyJeff wrote:
... I avoided her from then on because I think she wanted to see my long lens and wasn't just interested in giving her husband pictures for a present....

Are you sure she wasn't looking at your 50 mm "standard" lens through 10D eyes? :)

J/K - I've not encountered anything like this situation involving photography. About the best I could do is have a couple of female softball players hit foul balls at me. :)


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Jan 03, 2005 10:30 as a reply to  @ post 362714 |  #13

I have waited a long time with nudes or topless or glamour, first I wanted to have the basic in good order.

My first session I was very nervous but to be honest as soon as you start shooting it's just another session, it's only a lot harder, when you shoot with clothes you alway's have something you can use to cover up some imperfections or "bodyfat". With nudes or lingerie you really have to know what you are doing.

It's very nice if the model is in good shape, at the moment I only shoot nudes when they indeed are perfect for nudes, otherwise I will do fashion or something else but no nudes.

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Jan 03, 2005 10:51 as a reply to  @ J.A.F. Doorhof's post |  #14

J.A.F. Doorhof wrote:
It's very nice if the model is in good shape, at the moment I only shoot nudes when they indeed are perfect for nudes, otherwise I will do fashion or something else but no nudes.
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Don't you think thats a tad bit shallow?


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Jan 03, 2005 11:14 as a reply to  @ post 362714 |  #15

Why ?
There are alot models who want to make nude or lingerie pictures while their strong points do not lie there, if I'm paid for a session I will offcourse do it.
When they need it for their portfolio I will do it, but when I have a standard session I will tell them were their weakpoints lie, if they still want to do it, I will shoot it anyway but at the end of the session.

I need GOOD shots for my portfolio and models who look great nude are not in many numbers to be honest, at least not for me at this moment.

What I meant was, that you have to look profesional at the shoot, you have to make pictures that will enhance your model and not on which they look bad, remember that the model will look at the picture and if she doesn't like it, she will most certainly not give herself the blame :D.

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