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Jun 11, 2008 22:17 |  #1

I have a 580EX II and want to start experimenting with gels on my flash to balance ambient light. I mostly do landscape work and will be experimenting with fill flash for things in the forground. I would like to purchase gels that aproximate an 81a and 85 filter. Can anyone tell me which color (and brand) to buy? Also if there are any other usefull colors to get for balancing ambient light ( I will also be do some indoor shooting now and then) I would be interested in knowing what they are too.

I have read the post about the Roscolux sample book, but it's not available now at B&H right now and I'm not sure if the filters will be large enough for my flash.


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Jun 12, 2008 00:04 |  #2

Why do you need a flash for landscape work? What are you trying to achieve?


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Jun 12, 2008 00:32 |  #3

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Why do you need a flash for landscape work? What are you trying to achieve?

Subtle highlights of objects in the forground when the forground is darker (perhaps in a shadow) than the background; fill flash. With early or late light I'm going to want to warm up the light from the flash a bit. I have though that I may want to use fill flash for some of my landscape work for a while now and after reading an article by Galen Rowel on the use of fill flash for landscapes I'm ready to give it a go. I have tried it a few times before with ill results, partially due to the difference in color temperature between the ambient light and the flash. Any suggestions on what color filters to get?


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Jun 12, 2008 00:59 |  #4

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take a trip to one of those places and pick up the free rosco book, theres lots of warm gels and trial and error should get you some favorites


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Jun 12, 2008 01:15 |  #5

1/4 CTO, 1/2 CTO and full CTO are pretty essential basics.

If you want to be prepared for any lighting situation and match it perfectly then it is also helpful to have 1/8 CTO , 1/4 CTB and 1/8 CTB with you. If you're working outdoors then also look at CT Straw as there are occasions where it is more suitable for warming to match the ambient than CTO.

Rosco and Lee do all of the above and I can recommend both brands.




  
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Jun 12, 2008 01:28 |  #6

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Jun 12, 2008 09:40 |  #7

anshu wrote in post #5706863 (external link)
Hollywood Lights Inc.
660 S. Dakota Street
Seattle, WA 98108 13.48 miles 206-292-2353 www.hollywoodlights.bi​z (external link)

PNTA
615 South Alaska Street
Seattle, WA 98108 13.48 miles 206-622-7850 www.pnta.com (external link)

Stagecraft Industries Inc Seattle
5503 Sixth Ave. South
Seattle, WA 98108 13.48 miles 206-763-8800 www.stagecraftindustri​es.com (external link)

Pacific Grip & Lighting
10401 Martin Luther King Jr. Way South
Seattle, WA 98178 15.86 miles 206-622-8540 www.pacific-grip.com (external link)

Norcostco - Tacoma
2661 No. Pearl Street #355
Tacoma, WA 98407 30.37 miles 253-627-4424 www.norcostco.com (external link)

take a trip to one of those places and pick up the free rosco book, theres lots of warm gels and trial and error should get you some favorites

Hermes wrote in post #5706938 (external link)
1/4 CTO, 1/2 CTO and full CTO are pretty essential basics.

If you want to be prepared for any lighting situation and match it perfectly then it is also helpful to have 1/8 CTO , 1/4 CTB and 1/8 CTB with you. If you're working outdoors then also look at CT Straw as there are occasions where it is more suitable for warming to match the ambient than CTO.

Rosco and Lee do all of the above and I can recommend both brands.

Excellent, thank you all.


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Jun 14, 2008 00:03 |  #8

Hermes wrote in post #5706938 (external link)
1/4 CTO, 1/2 CTO and full CTO are pretty essential basics.

If you want to be prepared for any lighting situation and match it perfectly then it is also helpful to have 1/8 CTO , 1/4 CTB and 1/8 CTB with you. If you're working outdoors then also look at CT Straw as there are occasions where it is more suitable for warming to match the ambient than CTO.

Rosco and Lee do all of the above and I can recommend both brands.

Picked up a Lee sample pack today and pulled out the filters you suggested. Can you point me in the direction of when to use what gel? is the CTO for indoor tungston lighting? What is the straw for? Some experimentation would be usefull, but I don't use the flash too much and would like to get an idea of where to start. Thanks.


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Jun 14, 2008 05:44 |  #9

doidinho wrote in post #5719181 (external link)
Picked up a Lee sample pack today and pulled out the filters you suggested. Can you point me in the direction of when to use what gel? is the CTO for indoor tungston lighting? What is the straw for? Some experimentation would be usefull, but I don't use the flash too much and would like to get an idea of where to start. Thanks.

Roughly speaking, flashes have a colour temperature of around 5000-5500k which is the equivalent of direct sunlight at noon. The lower the sun gets, the warmer the ambient light will get so the more CTO you will need to add to your flash to compensate. If it's early afternoon or late morning I'll use 1/4 CTO , if it's early morning/late afternoon I'll use 1/2 CTO or full CTO as the situation demands. If I need to use flash at sunrise/sunset then it can take anything from full CTO to double CTO to match the natural light.

In shade or on overcast days the ambient light can actually be cooler than the output of your flash - if you are shooting landscapes then 1/4 or 1/2 CTB can be useful to correct this difference, if shooting portraits then you might not want to bother as a slightly warm flash will not be as unflattering to your subject as an overly cool flash.

The CT Straw does much the same as the CTO but with a slightly more yellowish tint - they could help you with landscapes as they are often better suited to sunny shots when the sun is low but the sky is very clear.




  
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