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Jun 14, 2008 12:01 |  #1

So I dragged my friend into my living room to test the sharpness of my sigma 24-70 2.8....
I have had a long line of soft images that I used to attribute to camera shake but now as I get a little better at what I do...Im beginning to wonder...if it is a soft lens....
Ive had ridiculous trouble keeping a subject in perfect focus from the background...the whole image just looks soft.... my focus point is always between the eyes.
so It tried a couple of F stops
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all still were soft...
I know what your gonna ask me next, I should post full crops of each...
stupid me, how does one actually post a full crop of something for here?
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Jun 14, 2008 12:21 |  #2

What was your shutter speed? I suspect it was pretty slow if you are shooting f/9.0 indoors.


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Jun 14, 2008 13:03 |  #3

ah, see lowest was 1/160, highest was 1/320th I was using an off camera strobe with it...so I thought it was a non issue...
maybe I just don't understand depth of field distance to subject very well...


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Jun 14, 2008 13:07 |  #4

Post up some pictures. Instead of a friend to pose. Tripod + a static object. Mirror lock up and timer to more scientific tests. Lens tests with subjects I find are kind of subjective.


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Jun 14, 2008 13:08 |  #5

get a tripod!




  
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Jun 14, 2008 13:20 |  #6

In answer to "how do I post full crops", click this link
From most of the reviews I've read about the Sig 24-70 it's a decent lens that should provide nice shots. Nice gallery here (external link) if you want to compare what others are doing with that lens.
Not much help can be given without a sample of the problem in question.


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Jun 14, 2008 13:31 as a reply to  @ Shutterbug Doug's post |  #7

This is my technique for a 100% crop, any number of pixels.
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Jun 14, 2008 15:43 |  #8

Im at the work, will post pictures as soon as I get home


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Jun 14, 2008 19:14 |  #9

1/320 and using off-camera strobe? That's faster than your MAX sync-speed.


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Jun 14, 2008 23:05 |  #10

Are you focusing and recomposing? If you try this with AI servo, the lens will "hunt". If you try this with one shot mode, you may change the distance to the subject enough to make a difference. Was the room dark? The point about max sync speed is true and interesting.


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Jun 15, 2008 01:57 |  #11

no Im not focusing and recomposing...for some reason I have a hard time understanding that concept...for the most part I was using one shot because my subject was not moving...the room was not overly dark, it has 4 tall windows that let some light in...and the 1/320th speed, the sigma has the high sync speed flash over 1/250 if you set it correctly, Ill post pictures now hold up


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Jun 15, 2008 02:31 |  #12

okay sorry for the hold up, for those that are interested, here are 100% crops of the photos in their respective F stops...nothing was done to these photos, okay maybe some boosts in saturation, but these are raw files from adobe raw, just cropped in photoshop cs3...


okay 6.3

IMAGE: http://www.smugmug.com/photos/313325146_csGtc-XL.jpg


7.1
IMAGE: http://www.smugmug.com/photos/313325158_ohXfs-XL.jpg

8.0
IMAGE: http://www.smugmug.com/photos/313325167_fL3Wy-XL.jpg


9.0
IMAGE: http://www.smugmug.com/photos/313325179_C3H2o-XL.jpg

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Jun 15, 2008 04:19 |  #13

Rocker,

It looks to me like certain areas of your pics are sharp, and then they fall off to softness. This is a pretty classic example of the need to tweak your settings to get more DOF.

Even though you are not going extreme in your aperture settings, you still are in the range where you need to pay attention. I've seen real subject isolation at f/8 -- it all depends on managing the variables of aperture, focal lenth, distance from subject and distance between subject and background.

It looks like you were very close to your subject, which presents a very sensitive DOF situation. But, with the last pic, you seem to have struck a good balance, right?


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Jun 15, 2008 04:40 |  #14

Please try some shots of static objects from a tripod of other stable platform and get back to us. These images have no EXIF data and without being there we can't know what was happening when you shot these frames. We will also need 100% crops to distinguish between OOF and motion blur.


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Jun 15, 2008 07:53 |  #15

Rocker,

It looks to me like certain areas of your pics are sharp, and then they fall off to softness. This is a pretty classic example of the need to tweak your settings to get more DOF.

Even though you are not going extreme in your aperture settings, you still are in the range where you need to pay attention. I've seen real subject isolation at f/8 -- it all depends on managing the variables of aperture, focal lenth, distance from subject and distance between subject and background.

It looks like you were very close to your subject, which presents a very sensitive DOF situation. But, with the last pic, you seem to have struck a good balance, right?

The whole time I was about 4 feet from my subject and she was about 5 feet from the background...might of that been the problem? Also is there a difference in the plane of focus if Im standing and shooting her or if Im a bit crouched?

Please try some shots of static objects from a tripod of other stable platform and get back to us. These images have no EXIF data and without being there we can't know what was happening when you shot these frames. We will also need 100% crops to distinguish between OOF and motion blur.

Unfortunately I do not own a tripod anymore. I wonder why these images have no exif data? I can add shutter speed to each image but I trust you not one is lower than 1/160th and the max is 1/320...
and if Im not mistaken, these are 100% crops?


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