Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Small Compact Digitals by Canon 
Thread started 18 Jun 2008 (Wednesday) 16:58
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Getting a first "real" camera (but still P&S)

 
Tilling
Member
45 posts
Joined Jun 2008
     
Jun 18, 2008 16:58 |  #1

I've never gotten that into photography and still have (but don't really use) a 5-year-old Optio.
I'm looking to get a camera I will use a lot more. Right now I'm interested in the A630 and A650, maybe SX100IS, maybe even G9. Also looking at the Sony DSC-H3 and some of the Panasonics.
I actually do want to have some manual controls so I can learn something :)

How important is the IS for low light or motion shots? Some people say that high ISO performance is actually more important because it helps when the object is moving too. Is it better in some of these cameras than others?

In the past I've tried to take pictures in social situations in low light and they usually come out badly (sometimes even when the light isn't so low). Ideally I'd like to be able to take pictures of people dancing in moderately low light, maybe I really need to get a different camera for that one (bridge camera)?

I also dislike long shot-to-shot times. Are there tricks that improve the speed of the A650 or G9?

A lot of people really seem to like those rotating screens -- I don't know yet if I'd use it much, but I'm guessing I'd find uses.

Just some thoughts and questions from someone who wants to get more frequent and better pictures in life.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Jon
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
69,628 posts
Likes: 227
Joined Jun 2004
Location: Bethesda, MD USA
     
Jun 18, 2008 17:49 |  #2

I'm not going to try to answer all your questions, but:
IS and high ISO are complementary. High ISO will stop subject motion, true, but at the expense of noise in the picture (usually called "grain", a holdover from the film days). IS helps especially when you're using the LCD to compose your shot, since that means, invariably, that you're holding the camera out at something approaching arms' length rather than with a nice, snug brace against your forehead. Personally, I use my optical viewfinder 90% of the time. The only time I use the LCD, it seems, is when I'm using the flip-out capabilities of the screen. And when I use it then, it's often for a shot I wouldn't be able to get with my SLR (over the crowd, into an aircraft cockpit from the ground, etc.).

I don't think there really is a "bridge camera", good at low light levels and fastish shutter speeds but still pocketable. My best suggestion for that would be to add an auxiliary flash to a PowerShot. But even the Canon dedicated PowerShot slave flash will add to your camera's bulk, and the flash going off won't be any too popular in many situations. But high ISO without noise needs large pixels, which means a large sensor, and fast shutter speeds mean either high ISO, fast lenses, or both.

Setting the camera in "Continuous" will let you get 2-3 shots every 2 seconds; you need a light touch on the shutter to avoid getting 2 when you want 1, and have less precise control of the individual shots, but it's a possibility.


Jon
----------
Cocker Spaniels
Maryland and Virginia activities
Image Posting Rules and Image Posting FAQ
Report SPAM, Don't Answer It! (link)
PERSONAL MESSAGING REGARDING SELLING OR BUYING ITEMS WITH MEMBERS WHO HAVE NO POSTS IN FORUMS AND/OR WHO YOU DO NOT KNOW FROM FORUMS IS HEREBY DECLARED STRICTLY STUPID AND YOU WILL GET BURNED.
PAYPAL GIFT NO LONGER ALLOWED HERE

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Persephone
Goldmember
Avatar
1,122 posts
Joined May 2008
Location: CA
     
Jun 23, 2008 01:54 |  #3

My mom had a Canon with a screen, and she didn't find it very useful. If you extend it out and flip it around, you're usually really close to the screen. You also risk it breaking by using it - not high but anything puts pressure. If I take self-portraits I simply guess and take another shot if I'm off.

Point and shoots usually suck in low light. Period. Actually I have not tried the higher end ones; my primary experience is with Nikon, and even with AF assist beam it kept racking up red light no-focus situations. Kicking up the ISO resutls in even poorer pictures. Perhaps a higher-end P&S Canon will have less problems.


Gear list
"Do you think it was my choice to wed a man I did not love? Live a life I did not choose? I was betrayed by the very gods that once saw me as their own. But no more." - Περσεφόνη (external link), God of War

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
DocFrankenstein
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
12,324 posts
Likes: 13
Joined Apr 2004
Location: where the buffalo roam
     
Jun 27, 2008 18:08 |  #4

Tilling wrote in post #5747486 (external link)
How important is the IS for low light or motion shots?

Very important.

Some people say that high ISO performance is actually more important because it helps when the object is moving too. Is it better in some of these cameras than others?

All small sensor cameras give you bad performance in low light. That's just physics.

Ideally I'd like to be able to take pictures of people dancing in moderately low light, maybe I really need to get a different camera for that one (bridge camera)?

I think only an SLR will be able to take good shots of dancing.

Just some thoughts and questions from someone who wants to get more frequent and better pictures in life.

I understand completely. But there's really no limit as to how much money you can spend - the more you spend, the better the pictures become. Faster autofocus, being able to shoot in lower light and print larger. There are photographers on here who shoot weddings and their camera setups are expensive. 5000 dollar body, 2000 dollar lens and a 300 dollar flash - they can shoot low light action easier... and even they are pushing the limits of their equipment.

I think for beginner photographers it's better to make a clear distinction as to what you want to do. If you want to study photography, then any camera with manual controls is fine. You won't be able to shoot in low light, but you'll be able to learn the art.

The other side is technical - to have a high enough shutter speed at low light, you need an expensive lens with an expensive camera. The gear allows you to shoot in a tougher conditions, but doesn't necessarily make you a better photographer.


National Sarcasm Society. Like we need your support.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

1,225 views & 0 likes for this thread, 4 members have posted to it.
Getting a first "real" camera (but still P&S)
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Small Compact Digitals by Canon 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member was a spammer, and banned as such!
2291 guests, 133 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.