Aszental Senior Member  618 posts Joined Aug 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia More info | Jun 19, 2008 19:35 | #1 Hey, i was wondering what you guys do when your shooting an event and the entire room is black, the walls and the cealing.
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hastur Member  167 posts Joined Jul 2007 More info | Jun 19, 2008 20:52 | #2 Check out http://super.nova.org/DPR/Design/ How can you trust a man who wears both a belt and suspenders? The man can't even trust his own pants. - Frank (Henry Fonda) in Once Upon a Time in the West.
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BobD. Member 141 posts Joined Apr 2008 Location: NJ, USA More info | Jun 19, 2008 20:52 | #3 You need to supply your own ceiling or wall to bounce from.
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Jun 19, 2008 20:56 | #4 What I did was shoot direct flash sometimes with, sometimes without flash modifier. Sometimes stofen omnibounce, sometimes an index card. photojournalista.blogspot.com
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steve547 Senior Member  260 posts Joined Apr 2005 Location: New Jersey More info | Jun 19, 2008 21:47 | #5 Aszental wrote in post #5755358  Hey, i was wondering what you guys do when your shooting an event and the entire room is black, the walls and the cealing. The ambient light is also pretty dim, so a flash is necessary. How do you get a nice looking flash when there is nothing to bounce from? Thanks Direct flash can be nice looking. I'd be more concerned about focusing in that environment. Steve
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Jun 19, 2008 22:43 | #6 steve547 wrote in post #5756220 Direct flash can be nice looking. I'd be more concerned about focusing in that environment. Just turn on the focus assist beam on your flash and you're all set. photojournalista.blogspot.com
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vixeh Member  149 posts Joined Oct 2005 Location: Orange County, CA More info | Jun 19, 2008 23:32 | #7 hastur wrote in post #5755884 Check out http://super.nova.org/DPR/Design/ . I don't mean to be short, but this guy explains more than I could.Have Fun Rob This is some seriously good stuff! Thanks for the link. Like so many intimidating things, it's dreadfully simple after someone explains it properly. 5D | G9 | SD1000 | 16-35mm f/2.8 II | 24-105 f/4 IS | 70-200mm f/2.8 IS | 35mm f/1.4 | 100mm f/2.8 macro | 135mm f/2 | 580EX | 580EX II
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Ok well i went today whilst they were setting up to check it all out, here's what Im up against.  F 2.8, 1/15  F 2.8 1/8  Thats what the roof looks like, pretty high up. Ok one more quick question, in the event of rain im going to take a few portrait shots inside, the walls have this nice texture i can use as a background. The problem is, when i use direct flash there is a reflection that is really distracting  What do you reccomend to take portraits on these walls? ( i can use an off camera flash) Thanks for all the help guys! Edit: Oh when the curtains open up things get way better  F 3.2 1/320 (iso 1600 though, forgot to take it down) Their just not sure if its going ot be open or closed, so i want to be prepared incase!
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RenéDamkot Cream of the Crop  39,856 posts Likes: 8 Joined Feb 2005 Location: enschede, netherlands More info | Jun 20, 2008 07:22 | #9 Black doesn't mean it will absorb all light, it just means it'll reflect a lot less then white... "I think the idea of art kills creativity" - Douglas Adams
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SkipD Cream of the Crop  20,476 posts Likes: 165 Joined Dec 2002 Location: Southeastern WI, USA More info | Jun 20, 2008 07:46 | #10 If you have a reflective surface behind your subjects for the portrait shots, the ONLY solution is to get your lighting source off of the camera. If the only light you have is a Speedlite (and you cannot afford to buy or rent something more appropriate), than you could have an assistant hold a LARGE (four by four feet, for example) bounce card above and to the left or right of you (and aimed at the correct angle). You would then turn your flash to aim it at the bounce card. That would then provide soft lighting that would not bounce directly back at your camera off the background. Skip Douglas
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tenoverthenose Senior Member 822 posts Likes: 2 Joined Apr 2007 Location: Yosemite, Ca More info | You can easily get by with direct flash. However, I would use off camera flashes in a room like that and then use the on camera flash as fill. www.patrickpike.com
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Jun 20, 2008 10:04 | #12 I shoot weddings and this is very typical reception hall type environment. I always shoot with one flash on camera/bracket (for fill) and one or two on lightstands off camera and usually into umbrellas for the off camera lights. Off camera main light will improve shots in rooms like this about 1,000% over one flash on camera. You will have to decide whether to shoot ETTL or manual. That will be determined by the gear you have and/or the type of shooting you will be doing, i.e. candid, posed, etc. 5DmkII, 5DmkIII, 5DS R, 15mm, 16-35 f/2.8 II L, 100 Macro f/2.8 L, 70-200 f/2.8 L IS, 85 f/1.8, 580EX II, 580EX, 550EX
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Wilt Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1]  More info | Jun 20, 2008 11:24 | #13 Aszental wrote in post #5756869 Ok well i went today whilst they were setting up to check it all out, here's what Im up against. What do you reccomend to take portraits on these walls? ( i can use an off camera flash) ! Shoot at an angle to the wall...'angle of incidence = angle of reflectance' You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.php
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Thanks for all the responses guys
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Jun 21, 2008 10:05 | #15 Aszental wrote in post #5763284 Thanks for all the responses guys Do you think that one 580 EX II as master, and one 580 set as a slave off camera on a light stand would be the ideal way to light this event? Anyone her that done something like this before? It's exactly how I do it. 5DmkII, 5DmkIII, 5DS R, 15mm, 16-35 f/2.8 II L, 100 Macro f/2.8 L, 70-200 f/2.8 L IS, 85 f/1.8, 580EX II, 580EX, 550EX
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