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Jun 21, 2008 21:51 |  #1

I have some friends with kids who swim competitively. They encouraged me to come to a meet to take some shots of their kids swimming. I think this is a really tough sport to shoot for interest. It is nearly impossible to get a face in the frame when they are diving off the block, which is otherwise the best part of the race.

So these are two of my better shots. I'll take any C&C plus suggestions on locations and good shots from people who shoot swimming.

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Jun 21, 2008 21:57 |  #2

I've shot swimming a few times. I'm not sure it can be done much better than what you've got. There are just so few times you can actually capture a face, and after a few dozen shots they all start looking the same. Again, yours are excellent. (IMHO)


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Jun 22, 2008 04:20 as a reply to  @ Phil Light's post |  #3

The second is better than the first, to me, as the arms 'cut-off' is a bit off-putting. If you cropped in closer to just show the face, it might work a bit better. Nice shots though. :)

Can't give any more help cos I've never shot swimming. :o


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Jun 22, 2008 07:08 |  #4

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The second is better than the first, to me, as the arms 'cut-off' is a bit off-putting. If you cropped in closer to just show the face, it might work a bit better. Nice shots though. :)

Can't give any more help cos I've never shot swimming. :o

You make a good point on the framing. I had a shot of the girl doing the butterfly that included the hands, but it was just too lose of a frame to show the detail I wanted.

Here is a different one of the same girl framed even tighter. Maybe this is the way to go?


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Jun 22, 2008 09:33 |  #5

Those are fine! Its a tough sport to shoot.


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Jun 22, 2008 09:42 |  #6

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Those are fine! Its a tough sport to shoot.

I agree. It's not only tough to shoot, it's very difficult to produce creative shots. But, if that were my kid, even though the shot is similar to many we've all seen before, I'd be thrilled with shots like these.


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Jun 22, 2008 09:55 |  #7

Being a former swimmer, your best vantage point to get shots off the block of faces is either from the opposite end of the pool, or about 15m up the side of the pool right on the edge, shooting into the blocks at the start of the race. Their heads should pop up and look forward before going into the water...but with kids that young, it's hard to know what they've been taught.

Conveniently it looks like your outdoors, so enough light should not be a problem.

Shot 1 brings back memories of long days waiting to swim 3 events...the writing on the arm to help the kids remember what event, heat, and lane they are in.


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Jun 22, 2008 10:09 |  #8

I think you dd a great job with these. I like the first crop better...it tells the event as well.....butterfly I am assuming. Good work!


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Jun 22, 2008 17:43 |  #9

great shots, you made swimming shots look easy.




  
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Jun 22, 2008 18:08 |  #10

I really like shooting swimming. Things to remember- talk to the refs and event organizers. Don't use flash on the starts. If it's a relay- you can use flash for the dives that don't start the race (check first to be sure.) Don't get stuck only using a long lens. don't shoot just the swimming. Don't just stand there spraying and praying. Shoot low, shoot high. Use fill flash when you can. Go wide if there are clouds (outdoor.) shoot portrait and landscape. Get wet from laying on the pool deck. Snicker when someone says "thats a big camera." Offer advice if you have any to the other at the meet with good equipment shooting on auto. Talk to anyone with a camera at the pool- ask them what they are shooting- what settings etc. Some parents will never understand or see the difference between a good photo and a bad photo. You will never understand why they chose the one you almost deleted. The older kids are easier to shoot. the parents of the kid with the worst form always want butterfly shots. I could go on for hours.

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Jun 22, 2008 18:25 |  #11

You did a good job with these. The close crop on the butterfly works well when the swimmer's form is poor - as is your's here. Those arms should be straight out, no bend at the elbow. (she looks young so likely the strength is not there yet) You'll find when shooting a better swimmer, you want the full arm extension, especially the guys as they can show off the muscles they've worked so hard on building.

Here's an odd size crop but it illustrates what the arms are supposed to look like in the fly:

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Locations - my preference is side deck for most. Lane ends are good for breast and fly only, especially if you want full face like you got, but I think you can also get some effective captures of these strokes from side deck.

Swimmers have a rhythm and you count off when they will surface for air on free and fly, you just need to be ready.

On breast, they're up every stroke, and a good swimmer will pop way out of the water, so it's probably the easiest to capture.

Backstroke is good from the side provided you fire when the far arm is up. Near arm blocks the face with arm and water trail.

Another frequent swim shooter on here (Steve from CA) made a comment one time about the number of lane ropes in a shot....getting low to get them added to the shot. I watch for that now where appropriate, and you can see in your second image that it does add to the shot.

On the starts - a bit over-rated IMO, unless you isolate on one swimmer. Otherwise they're very busy shots with the timers in the BG, swimmers in the next heat in the BG, the DQ, line, the 5m line ...everything it seems makes it to that exposure !

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And of course, the outdoor pool is much easier than an indoor pool.
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Jun 22, 2008 18:39 |  #12

Awesome set of advice Darsk47!

You are correct, both of the swimmers I shot are young and inexperienced. Your shots show some really great examples of top atheletes.

I didn't even bring my flash along as the event was outdoors and I had heard some things about timers in swimming getting screwed up by flash. Overall I had enough light (barely) in any case.

Thanks a lot for your great post!


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Jun 22, 2008 20:04 |  #13

JeffreyG wrote in post #5771912 (external link)
Awesome set of advice Darsk47!


I didn't even bring my flash along as the event was outdoors and I had heard some things about timers in swimming getting screwed up by flash.

It's a huge no-no to use flash during the start of a race. It's because the starter has a synchronized horn/flash/clock unit to get things going. The swimmers take off from the horn, but the manual timers use the flash. In 50m races, one length of the pool, the timers are down at the other end , at the finish line, they see the flash when it occurs, they hear the horn a split second later...speed of light and sound being what they are. It's even noticeable at times for the swimmers in lane 8, which is why the high-end pools have a horn under each starting block.

So it goes without saying that an additional flash - from a camera - would mess-up the start.

I have never encountered an issue later once the race is nicely underway.


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Jun 22, 2008 20:38 |  #14

Darsk47,
Your comment on getting low for the lane diveders really struck me as well as that was an accident for me in the second shot.

Shooting youth sports off and on, I've basically learned that the best shots come from getting as low and close as I can. So I shot the boy's freestyle crouched on the side of the pool right along the gutter.

When I looked at the shots in PP, I thought to myself that I really liked the way those three lane dividers run through the shot....but that was really just a happy accident from my generally approach of shooting from down low.


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Jun 22, 2008 20:42 |  #15

Darsk47 wrote in post #5771844 (external link)
And of course, the outdoor pool is much easier than an indoor pool.
Just my $.02.

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Darcy

Stop rubbing it in.

Darcy got any good shots of a Female back stroke start? shooting at about position of 10:00. or 2:00?
Some of the muscle tones are beautiful and well defined.

Jeffrey, Nice shoots for age group. Thanks for posting


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