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Jun 24, 2008 22:27 |  #1

Yes, I know, that sounds rather limiting. Especially since all I have is a 580ex II. Anyways, I can't afford real lights and basically don't know where to start with lighting equipment, so the whole light situation has been put on hold. Anyways, I'm going to try to shoot some senior pictures for my friends. Is it still possible even with only 1 light? I have a Flip-It (and 2 pointless lightspheres), but I don't know how useful they will actually be outside. Also, I have Monte Zuckerman's Portrait Photography Handbook, but I totally regret buying it. I really hated his style of portraits, and while his book said it was also suited to photojournalist style shooting and outdoors, that was lie. 99% of the time he was shooting in the studio (or in such a situation where the result resembles a studio) with tons of extra hands, an advantage I obviously don't have. You guys can recommend any books if you want, but I have the best luck with books and usually learn by experiment or from free internet resources. Sorry I sound too demanding or ignorant, learning lighting is something I haven't really found clearly explained anywhere.




  
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Jun 24, 2008 22:37 |  #2

Well, to be honest, I would shoot in natural light, outside, or by a large window. A nice 42" reflector or 2 will do nicely along with the sun. But if you really want to shoot with your flash, just put the flash as close as you can, and use a large reflector on the opposite side to bounce fill light back onto the subject.
Find a friend to try stuff on. They get free pics, and you get practice.


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Jun 24, 2008 22:42 |  #3

You might want to check out Zach Arias in Atlanta..he tours with a 'one light workshop' and you might find some inspiration by poking around his blog or main site.

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Jun 24, 2008 22:56 as a reply to  @ Philco's post |  #4

don't forget that if you are shooting outside and you have any sun, then you actually have 2 lights. make a DIY reflector using cardboard and some foil (or even just white posterboard) and now you have three lights effectively.


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Jun 25, 2008 00:09 |  #5

c71clark wrote in post #5786706 (external link)
Well, to be honest, I would shoot in natural light, outside, or by a large window. A nice 42" reflector or 2 will do nicely along with the sun. But if you really want to shoot with your flash, just put the flash as close as you can, and use a large reflector on the opposite side to bounce fill light back onto the subject.
Find a friend to try stuff on. They get free pics, and you get practice.

I mentioned the flash because some lighting is better than none, and I can just see everybody choosing the worst time to do pictures (in the middle of the day) so I'll need the flash for fill, or if I can't find shade. How else could I have a reflector stay in place? Is there like a reflector holder? Another problem is the person who I might do the pics with is being really fussy, like saying "Ok you can do it... oh no, wait I'm going somewheres else... oh nevermind, I changed my mind... actually I might think of other places..." and she's NEVER available. And I have NO siblings or family either, so there's nobody I can really test on. But I think I might get paid for it! No idea how to price, but I might just give them a full sized JPEG since I'm starting out, plus I don't have a really good printer. I am like DSLR photography on the ultimate budget.




  
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Jun 25, 2008 00:17 |  #6

Here is a one light portrait... I was on location at the client's home.. and my strobe quit working... So I moved my set outside on their covered patio and continued shooting with flash, bounced into a reflector and that back on to her....

While I realize there is no dramatic shadow/highlight... it is still a pretty portrait.

If you peek through my newborn and maternity galleries, most of the shots are either natural light or a one light strobe with a large soft box. I'm guessing you can get a similar result with your flash and a large bounce umbrella.

Please don't judge too harshly... My processing has changed quite a bit from when I did this image.. :oops:

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Jun 25, 2008 00:21 |  #7

This is one of my portraits I did with one light, softbox off to my left. Quite easy to do with a speedlight if you can make a softbox modifier.

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Jun 25, 2008 00:31 |  #8

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I mentioned the flash because some lighting is better than none, and I can just see everybody choosing the worst time to do pictures (in the middle of the day) so I'll need the flash for fill, or if I can't find shade. How else could I have a reflector stay in place? Is there like a reflector holder? Another problem is the person who I might do the pics with is being really fussy, like saying "Ok you can do it... oh no, wait I'm going somewheres else... oh nevermind, I changed my mind... actually I might think of other places..." and she's NEVER available. And I have NO siblings or family either, so there's nobody I can really test on. But I think I might get paid for it! No idea how to price, but I might just give them a full sized JPEG since I'm starting out, plus I don't have a really good printer. I am like DSLR photography on the ultimate budget.

Find someone else to pose for you before you do work for pay without practice. You can always find someone willing.... Even if it's a trade for CD of images.

A lightstand will make a fine reflector holder, but you'll need a boom arm for it.. best thing is another body.. mom, a friend anyone.. just hand it to them and tell them exactly where you want it... or bring one of your own friends along to assist.

Never print your own images if you don't have a professional printer in your house... send the files out to a lab. There are several great labs out there.. I know MPix is very popular with some people.

If you can find shade... natural light would be best.. A concrete jungle works well for beautiful catchlights... the sun just reflects from everywhere... See here... http://ksnyderphoto.sm​ugmug.com …x/1/#160822446_​8axhu-A-LB (external link) My daughter at a local concrete shopping area... All bounced light from the surroundings.. she was in the shade at the edge of it... and I was in the sun... Simply and you can't go wrong with this... no flash, and what you see is what you get. :)

Another couple of shots here, on my back porch and front porch... No flash, just natural light bouncing off concrete.....
See Here.... http://ksnyderphoto.sm​ugmug.com …m/1/#315451866_​jGc4E-A-LB (external link)

and here... http://ksnyderphoto.sm​ugmug.com …m/1/#315451971_​FC26w-A-LB (external link)

And finally a few shots in my house just in front of a glass sliding door. I opened the door and stepped outside... the kiddos were inside just beyond the doorway..... Again no flash, no reflector.. just beautiful natural light... bouncing in from the concrete patio behind me...

First 3 shots in the gallery..... http://ksnyderphoto.sm​ugmug.com/gallery/3125​812#P-1-15 (external link)

Hope that helps a bit. :)


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Jun 25, 2008 00:33 |  #9

I would second Kristy's suggestion. Get a reflector - piece of foamcore - and fire the flash into it from the camera. Bounce the light back on the subject. Works very good, providing nice even, soft light as Kristy's image shows.

Or - shoot in the sun with your strobe. Then you have two lights.


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Jun 25, 2008 00:33 |  #10

Here is a video from a great new(ish) website ProPhotoLife.com
http://prophotolife.co​m …aits-with-just-one-light/ (external link)
Its about exactly what you are looking for, great portraits with one light.


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Jun 25, 2008 01:57 |  #11

wow I'm surprised at the helpful comments here. If this was dpreview (which I also frequent but under a different name) I would first be ripped to shreds since I don't have enough equipment and shouldn't be taking on work (though this wouldn't really be considered work), and then flamed for not liking Monte Zuckerman. I'll post some replies to this message after in a multi-quote.




  
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Jun 25, 2008 02:34 |  #12

c71clark wrote:
Well, to be honest, I would shoot in natural light, outside, or by a large window. A nice 42" reflector or 2 will do nicely along with the sun. But if you really want to shoot with your flash, just put the flash as close as you can, and use a large reflector on the opposite side to bounce fill light back onto the subject.
Find a friend to try stuff on. They get free pics, and you get practice.

Would something like the Alien Bees 5-in-1 reflector be good or are there other cheaper alternatives? I know that Alien Bees, as a company, usually puts out products that have really good value, but I believe I've saw these 5-in-1 reflectors somewheres else. EDIT: forgot about the foamcore option, will probably do that.

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Find someone else to pose for you before you do work for pay without practice. You can always find someone willing.... Even if it's a trade for CD of images.

I'm not sure if I can find someone willing (I live in a REALLY rural place where there's no photographic people. You would think they're be somebody vain but no), but the trade for a CD of images sounds really nice and I never thought of that. Should I give out full sized JPEGs or downsize those? Or is that even a realistic question to be asking? I'm not really sure if this is real work either. I will most likely only get paid from parents saying "You have to take this. I will not take no for an answer" complicated by my parents saying "TAKE IT, TAKE IT, TAKE IT!" Maybe I should warn some of them to not flash my name around since I'm not really a working person? I'm still only barely 18 and the whole way I got into this position was to be to be in a real life situation for some experience. Last year, a "real" photographer (well, somebody who probably has more drive than I do. I really don't know what else to do besides photography, even though that's not the best thing to just choose, especially since fashion is what I really want to do) did the valedictorian's senior picture and it turned out pretty well. I'm not sure how she did it or what she used but I think it was borrowed lighting equipment. I'm think I'm going to probe her source.

On another note, most in the paper ads for photography are rubbish. One ad we inquired about basically still shoots film, and you don't even use your own camera! They just give you their film camera (expecting you to cover the film costs, which you will find out are funny in a second), you take 2 images, then you leave and they put your images on the internet on their site. What a joke. Even I have higher standards than that... and that could easily blow up in anybodies face too! What type of camera will I be shooting? What speed film? What brand of film? Where will I be shooting? What will I be shooting? How long will these 2 images take (lol)? I wouldn't want my name on some product that I'm not even sure is good looking either since they're be no preview, no histograms, no RAW to help guide me.:rolleyes:

Kristy wrote in post #5787257 (external link)
A lightstand will make a fine reflector holder, but you'll need a boom arm for it.. best thing is another body.. mom, a friend anyone.. just hand it to them and tell them exactly where you want it... or bring one of your own friends along to assist.

Ugh, this is another problem I have. NOBODY really wants to help me out and I have the worst nerves in the world. I don't even know what "friends" I would actually call, but I can't exactly explain any more than that. My whole environment isn't very motivating.

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Never print your own images if you don't have a professional printer in your house... send the files out to a lab. There are several great labs out there.. I know MPix is very popular with some people.

Oh yes, that was my original plan. I guess I should have said that in the first post. Maybe I'm mistaken, but is Mpix a wide gamut printer? I actually do know about color management and printing shouldn't be an issue if it's on their side, so I'd like to take advantage of any extended color out of the sRGB or AdobeRGB if that's possible. I do have Mpix's ICC profiles and can do soft proofing I need, plus I have a calibrated monitor. I've also heard of White House Custom Color but have no experience with them. How are they? Would there really be a difference? What do you use?

Kristy wrote in post #5787257 (external link)
If you can find shade... natural light would be best.. A concrete jungle works well for beautiful catchlights... the sun just reflects from everywhere... See here...

Cut off full quote to save space, but anyways, thanks.

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I would second Kristy's suggestion. Get a reflector - piece of foamcore - and fire the flash into it from the camera. Bounce the light back on the subject. Works very good, providing nice even, soft light as Kristy's image shows.

Thanks again. Ugh, I guess I should have mentioned I don't have OFF CAMERA flash. Crap. Should I just get the "ebay triggers" (well I would actually be getting the radiopopper ones since they're less dubious) or stay on camera, to have ETTL help some? While I'm not a pro at ETTL, I do know a lot of the basics and how ETTL works, so I'm confident it won't throw me for a loop. This is one reason why I have yet to get into lighting. There are so many decisions that have to be made, equipment wise, and I feel like if I'm not properly educated (which I haven't been able to do), I would really regret the decisions I make, which could really present a problem since I'm in a really tight situation for money. I'm not one to EVER let a salesperson work their magic on me, or am a person to go completely off "professional" reviews, but it's hard to get an image in my mind about where each company stands and what I should be doing. I already know that it's buying into a system.




  
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Jun 25, 2008 09:48 |  #13

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Would something like the Alien Bees 5-in-1 reflector be good or are there other cheaper alternatives

You can get a cheap one on ebay for under $40 that will work fine. I have a large and a small one and I got them both on ebay.

but the trade for a CD of images sounds really nice and I never thought of that. Should I give out full sized JPEGs or downsize those?

Limit the file sizes to 5x7 or whatever your standard size is. You can offer XX amount at full resolution, and the rest a web quality.

Ugh, this is another problem I have. NOBODY really wants to help me out and I

If you are shooting seniors... their parents will come... they CAN help. You will never get help if you don't ask.

I've also heard of White House Custom Color but have no experience with them. How are they? Would there really be a difference? What do you use

I've used both... And they both do a nice job. White House is my first choice because they offer a variety of products that I like. MPix is the sister company of a well known pro lab that exclusively deals with established businesses... they are well known in the industry.

Thanks again. Ugh, I guess I should have mentioned I don't have OFF CAMERA flash.

That Image was taken with the 580EX ON CAMERA... the flash was pointed towards the reflector, which in turn was pointed at the model.... to illuminate her softly and evenly.

Hope that helps. :)


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Jun 25, 2008 09:55 |  #14

http://www.amvona.com …p/flypage&produ​ct_id=1658 (external link)

And I see their price went up recently. They go on sale for $45.


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Jun 25, 2008 10:09 |  #15

Zach does good work.

Pfiltz at http://www.keepsakepho​tography.us/ (external link) does amazing senior portraits with the Photoflez LiteDome XS.

http://www.amazon.com …x-Connector/dp/B00009UT0​B (external link)

This is a tiny softbox (12"x16") that provides great results.

I got a LiteDome XS and took some nice shots of my GF.

I will do a self portrait and post it later on today.


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