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Jun 30, 2008 12:57 |  #31

cdifoto wrote in post #5821402 (external link)
Raising your eyebrows at someone else's technique really is nothing more than an exercise in know-it-all wankerism. Every photographer & situation is different.

Call it what you want.

I don't think I know it all.

I don't think that anyone can argue that sports+real life events+group shots = you need to have speed.

I happened to catch the Olympic trials this past weekend.
When Tyson ran the 100 meter faster than any human before ( 9.68 ) and he came around for the photos he (and his teammates) only spent maybe 10 seconds posing. Out of those 10 seconds only maybe 5 had him and his team mate in the winning shots (smiling, giving the #1 sign). If I start messing around with the camera (just by talking my eye from the viewfinder for a split second) I may get miss the moment.

In my opinion at sports and weddings you have to have your game on.

Even if I was to give him the focus deal there are still 2 other things he did that seem to be out of norm (beep, and not having shutter and focus separated).

Every situation is different but just because the situation seems low key I don't think the photog should relax his procedures.

I'm all for taking your time but surely if you are after the best possible shot the time would've been better spent in arranging the group or giving direction instead of focusing so many times.

Who knows maybe there was some issue with the lens.

Anything is possible.


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Jun 30, 2008 12:58 |  #32

Sorry but you can't compare an Olympic trials celebration with a soccer team group shot.


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Jun 30, 2008 13:02 |  #33

Spot metering attached to the selected the focus point




  
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Jun 30, 2008 13:06 |  #34

cdifoto wrote in post #5821462 (external link)
Sorry but you can't compare an Olympic trials celebration with a soccer team group shot.


That is true.

At the same time it is not unheard off for the team to get distracted and for them to only give you 1 or 2 seconds window because they are thinking of the game.

It is not the Olympic trials but each event should be treated with the same level of craftsmanship.

I've seen your wedding work and it is really nice.

I think that when you do weddings you use your whole skill and best gear regardless of if the wedding is a top shelf package or a starter entry level basic package.


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Jun 30, 2008 13:13 |  #35

danaitch wrote in post #5818911 (external link)
Secondly, I can only guess that he's a pi55-poor 'portrait' photographer if he chimps after every 'one shot' image he attempts!! :lol::lol::lol:

I can only guess you've not done many team portraits. :lol: He won't be checking exposure or focus, he'll be checking each shot to make sure that no-one's yawning/has their eyes closed/is picking their nose/is making bunny ears/is looking at uncle Charlie's camera etc. etc. etc. Getting a team portrait with everyone in it looking "correct" is incredibly difficult.


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Jun 30, 2008 13:17 |  #36

Cadwell wrote in post #5821547 (external link)
I can only guess you've not done many team portraits. :lol: He won't be checking exposure or focus, he'll be checking each shot to make sure that no-one's yawning/has their eyes closed/is picking their nose/is making bunny ears/is looking at uncle Charlie's camera etc. etc. etc. Getting a team portrait with everyone in it looking "correct" is incredibly difficult.

Especially if those in the portrait are a bunch of five year olds. :confused: The older kids are not much better either.


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Jun 30, 2008 14:07 |  #37

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Especially if those in the portrait are a bunch of five year olds. :confused: The older kids are not much better either.

sometimes, they are even worse!!


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Jun 30, 2008 14:23 |  #38

I shoot many different types of photography, for pay, with repeat customers, so take that for what it's worth. I've been shooting since the mid-80s, take that for what it's worth. I've done many sports photos... action, posed, team, soccer, football, baseball, basketball, low light, day light, indoor, outdoor. I've done more weddings than I can remember. I shoot quite a bit of candid dress rehearsal theater. I do family portraits, events and senior portraits and have sold quite a bit of landscape and architecture images. I don't do it all, but I do a lot... about 20,000 to 30,000 images a year.

With all this shooting I adapt to the situation at hand. I know how to use what I got given a certain amount of time to get a reasonable shot. But, that being said I don't know many people who can nail the shot everytime in every situation with the first shot. It happens once in a while. And most of the time most of us can get reasonable shots very quickly. But. If we have a little more time I think all of us can do better. Of course you don't want to kill a whole afternoon getting one team photo, but if you know you have 5 minutes instead of 30 seconds who wouldn't, or who doesn't make use of that time by fine tunining?

Here's how I typically work when given a reasonable amount of time.... evaluate the situation.... often times you know before you even get there what most of the situation is going to be like (available light, subject matter, etc.). Set the camera settings appropriately as your best probable setting. Shoot. Evaluate. Look at the histogram. Look at the image. Use both to determine what can be done to improve. This could be using EC to dial down ambient and FEC to dial up flash exposure, or picking a slightly different aperture or ISO to get a faster shutter, or maybe even adding another flash or two for more even lighting. Whatever it may be there is almost always something that can be done to fine tune an already acceptable image. And many times, if you somewhat know what you are doing it only takes a brief amount of time to make these adjustments and shoot again.

Recent example... On Friday I was hired to do an on location portrait of a young man in a suit and tie outdoors at a local park. We only had about ten minutes to shoot. So I meet him at the park about 30 minutes before sundown, we find a bunch of trees grouped together and I place him next to one of them with his back to the sun. The sunlight is just barely streaming through the trees and only hitting the back of his head and shoulders. Perfect rim lighting/hair light. I have a flash on camera on a bracket for fill. I assumed that the grove of trees to one side and open area to the other would provide reasonable modeling light and then use my flash for fill. Well after three or four shots and adjusting the FEC, that were perfectly acceptable by the way, I realize that I was not going to get the modeling light that I wanted... something like a 2:1 ratio, narrow lighting loop pattern is what I was after. So I throw another flash up on a stand into an umbrella, dial in the power to ratio with my on camera flash and bingo, we nail it. We were there 10 minutes, I took a dozen shots and we were done.

So I guess it comes down to using the time you know you have (or don't have) wisely and adapting accordingly. To derive that a photographer is incompetent because he takes too long and shoots too much, or uses the beep for focus lock is, in my mind, not a very intelligent deduction.


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Jun 30, 2008 16:10 |  #39

danaitch wrote in post #5818911 (external link)
Secondly, I can only guess that he's a pi55-poor 'portrait' photographer if he chimps after every 'one shot' image he attempts!!

If you would ever shoot one single podium (that's only 3 people there, and races I shoot, people know how to behave on podiums), you would see it's far from easy task. Catching all 3 guys (no offense to anyone, but women podiums are even worse) with eyes open, preferably watching toward you is everything but simple. So having 15 kids there is something I can't even imagine, and I'm surely not envious of such jobs.


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Jul 01, 2008 00:03 |  #40

Here is the shot I referred to earlier...

The shot that wasn't quite getting it.... shot with only on camera flash and the sun providing the rim/hair light...

IMAGE: http://www.pbase.com/image/99513123.jpg


And after adding another flash and dialing it in...

IMAGE: http://www.pbase.com/image/99512970.jpg

...of course in the time it took to set the off camera flash I lost the rim light on the shoulders, but it was still worth the extra effort.

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