Canon is slow...

Keep in mind that, unlike Nikon, Canon is not solely a camera company. I am not even sure that it is primarily a camera company. Canon has its irons in many more fires that Nikon, and is not going to be economically threatened by marginal losses in camera market share. Also, I don't see any reason to suspect that the next round of Canon DSLRs won't be competitive. All the worry about that doesn't seem to be based on anything substantial.

And besides, who would you rather take pictures with, Maria Sharapova , or Aston Kutcher ?

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #5833863
One half of "Prosumer" is CONsumer and I don't think the consumer market really cares if their camera is FF or Crop.

It's the PRO part of Prosumer that is driving the FF train and the PROs have a FF alternative in the 1DsMkIII. But I freely admit the 1Ds is a big pill to swallow...

Well the 5D has certainly become a prosumer or enthusiast camera. The D3 didn't really threaten that market niche, because it is at the upper end of the price scale. The D700 falls into a price range that many more prosumers or enthusiasts will be willing to pay. There is a big gap between the 5D and the 1DsIII, Nikon has just filled it twice.

I was just saying that the 5D stands sort of alone in the FF range. The 1d, 1d's are just not in the same league and are not aimed for the same people.
The xxD series gets regular updates, so does the xxxd, and 1d('s), so i don't get what's going on with 5D.

Maybe canon will keep pushing the EF-S lenses and focus on xxxD and XXD cameras and forget the "middle range prosumer - pro 5d" completely. Well, i certainly don't wish that this happens because i wan't to have something ahead of me that is not a 1d camera. ( they're too bulky and expensive

pknight wrote in post #5833869
And besides, who would you rather take pictures with, Maria Sharpova , or Aston Kutcher ?

Aw c'mon...give a little warning before you throw out a gem like this will ya?

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #5834122
Aw c'mon...give a little warning before you throw out a gem like this will ya?

Thanks. I'm glad somebody got it!

Southswede wrote in post #5833481
I don't think the question is for Canon, but for you. You are comapring a three year old camera, to an announced model, yet to be stocked on shelves.........what did you really expect, the Nikon wouldn't be "better"?

And how do you know Canon is just sitting around, not working on BETTER cameras, than what Nikon is currently putting out?

Brings to mind the JOBO GPS unit which was announced over a year ago, and which still has not made its presence into the real world!

Successful marketing strategies are generally reflected in accurately reading your opposition and bringing out products that are both competitive, and price competitive, at the *right* time. Canon has missed the door by a LARGE shot if you ask me. I don't see why Canon can only seemingly release cameras at PMA or Photokina, and rarely anywhere else. Unless it's a big pi$$ing contest

Dave

dpastern wrote in post #5833501
yes, but with that sort of argument, then we still all should be using Pentax K1000 film cameras

Dave

I know people that are quite happy shooting with their K1000's...so what?

Ken Rockwell says

"Recommendations top

Specifications Accessories Performance Comparisons Recommendations

If you need to shoot today, get a readily available D3 or D300, since it will be a few weeks until anyone gets their hands on a D700.

The only thing you're getting for $1,200 more than a D300 is much better high-ISO performance and a green light to buy even more expensive ultra-ultra wide lenses. For most people, I wouldn't bother, or I'd step up all the way to the much faster and fully professional D3.

If you're shooting sports and action, the D3 is still your camera. If you're shooting landscapes, the D3X (not yet public) or Canon 5D is better.

Honest: if I need landscape image quality, the Canon 5D beats the D3 and costs and weighs much less. If I want speed for sports, action and news, the D3 has far faster AF and frame rates than any of these. The D700 or D3 aren't the cameras for landscapes; that's the 5D or D3X. "

Maybe you should back off Canon. This wont be out until August right?
All I know is that Canon will answer this call with a better camera. And when they do I will still be using my 40D because it rocks. When it wears out, the d700 will be " That old Nikon" and there is no telling what Canon will have out by then.

elader wrote in post #5837411
Ken Rockwell says

"Recommendations top

Specifications Accessories Performance Comparisons Recommendations

If you need to shoot today, get a readily available D3 or D300, since it will be a few weeks until anyone gets their hands on a D700.

The only thing you're getting for $1,200 more than a D300 is much better high-ISO performance and a green light to buy even more expensive ultra-ultra wide lenses. For most people, I wouldn't bother, or I'd step up all the way to the much faster and fully professional D3.

If you're shooting sports and action, the D3 is still your camera. If you're shooting landscapes, the D3X (not yet public) or Canon 5D is better.

Honest: if I need landscape image quality, the Canon 5D beats the D3 and costs and weighs much less. If I want speed for sports, action and news, the D3 has far faster AF and frame rates than any of these. The D700 or D3 aren't the cameras for landscapes; that's the 5D or D3X. "

Yes, but Ken Rockwell was the same one who compared the 18-55 kit lens to the 17-55 f/2.8 IS and said

You'll make the same images with the 18-55mm II kit lens, and have enough cash left over to go on some great trips to make photos you otherwise wouldn't.

I really like how everyone is to quick to point out his comments regarding the 5D image quality being better than the D3, and 99% of the feedback I read of him is that he is an idiot and I shouldn't listen to him. He get's bashed all of the time on this forum, except when he says someting positive about Canon. He is never a credible source when he says something positive about Nikon, but instantly becomes a credible source when he says something positive about Canon, and his credibility increases even more if that postive comment about Canon is at the expense of Nikon.

midnight_rider wrote in post #5837465
Maybe you should back off Canon. This wont be out until August right?
All I know is that Canon will answer this call with a better camera. And when they do I will still be using my 40D because it rocks. When it wears out, the d700 will be " That old Nikon" and there is no telling what Canon will have out by then.

Are you sure, or just guessing?

Dave

BigBlueDodge wrote in post #5837723
Quote:
You'll make the same images with the 18-55mm II kit lens, and have enough cash left over to go on some great trips to make photos you otherwise wouldn't.

What kind of an ass the guy must be to say something like that?

I tested these two side by side when i got my 17-55mm, and yes the sharpness is almost the same at the ridiculous f-stops the 18-55mm can hanlde. But still, 17-55 is 2 stops faster, and it has a killer af, is and usm. So please..., shouldn't even be comparing the two.

pknight wrote in post #5833869
Keep in mind that, unlike Nikon, Canon is not solely a camera company.

Here you are wrong. Nikon is far from "solely camera company", probably further then Canon. Canon is still mainly tied to electronics (cameras, printers, etc.), while Nikon is also in medical business. And prices and margins of those devices are so huge, that whole camera business look like playground
Besides, I don't think it's in anyones interest, Nikon or Canon, to destroy each other. I'm sure they cooperate just fine, and somehow I don't think they are all that aggressive against each other as it might look from camera business perspective.

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #5833833
Just my opinion mind you but I see most of the 5D bashing and "I'm waiting for the 5DMkII" coming from people who's equipment list is noticeably lacking a 5D...

Those who do use one (myself included) still find it to be a completely effective and high-quality camera.

Well I won't say I'm bashing the 5D. Far from it. I've loved all of the cameras I've owned, none more so than the 5D. But there's no doubt, that besides the incredibly image quality (which in my mind, is still top dog), it's lacking in features that I'd really really like to see in a camera body.

I'm not going to argue that IQ is first and foremost the most important factor in a camera. Nikon's D3 still doesn't compare to the 5D IMO. But a camera body needs to be more than just IQ these days. Obviously it can't be all things to all people, but some simple and easy-to-implement technologies would make the 5D a much improved camera (full sealing for example - it'll only cost a few £ for rubber seals), and I for one would be very very happy with a camera with a few extra bells and whistles.