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Jul 03, 2008 09:33 |  #1

My apologies for the length of the post, thanks if you take a read through it and leave some comments!

I'm looking for some input on either adding an L prime or upgrading my 2nd body. I will need to stretch to afford it, and this will be my last upgrade for quite some time as any disposable income from my day-job and photo business will now be going towards my upcoming wedding and a down payment on a house (damn responsibilities!).

Why am I looking to upgrade? I currently shoot commercial work, product photography, landscapes & urban for fine art, still-life, stock, weddings, and some portraits. I do not currently have any really fast glass, and I do like narrow dof and I prefer when possible to shoot available light. My XT is lacking in low-light performance as well (high iso is awful), I am pleased with the 30D in most regards.

What I'm currently shooting with is:
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70-200 F/2.8 IS L
35mm F/2.0
100mm F/2.8 Macro

I wasn't fully prepared to pay the price for an L-prime and took the chance on the new Sigma 50mm F/1.4. Unfortunately that lens is going back due to issues that you can read over a couple pages here.

That being said, I am willing to stretch my budget and go for an L-prime for several reasons, including but not limited to the following: top wide open performance, top color/contrast, full frame compatibility, OEM (didn't learn my lesson about 3rd party), bets focal length for my system. I want to buy once and be done with it, without having to second guess the performance. This will be a stretch, but is doable.

I'm considering the 24L, 35L, and 50L. Alot of my wedding work tends to run towards 50mm, but outside of that I generally tend to shoot wider.

My other option is to make a big stretch, keep the lenses I have, sell the rebel xt, and grab a used 5D while the prices are pretty decent.

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Jul 03, 2008 09:52 |  #2

Brad, if you go with the 5D, have you also considered selling the 17-55 and maybe using that money to revamp your lens lineup? I know you'll still have your 30D to use it on, but you may be able to figure out a good replacement (either prime or zoom) that can serve dual purposes depending on which body you use it on -- the 35L, for instance.


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Jul 03, 2008 09:54 |  #3

runninmann wrote in post #5841488 (external link)
Brad, if you go with the 5D, have you also considered selling the 17-55 and maybe using that money to revamp your lens lineup? I know you'll still have your 30D to use it on, but you may be able to figure out a good replacement (either prime or zoom) that can serve dual purposes depending on which body you use it on -- the 35L, for instance.

The 17-55 will probably make an exit after the wedding season. It's a great lens, but I still prefer my trusty 17-40.
If I went with the 5D option the XT would go to help fund it, and I'd probably make due with the 35mm F/2 for awhile.

All - feel free to go with the least popular option on this forum, which is telling me to shup up, leave things alone, and do nothing! :)



  
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Jul 03, 2008 09:56 |  #4

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The 17-55 will probably make an exit after the wedding season. It's a great lens, but I still prefer my trusty 17-40.

Then why not pick up the 5D now and use the money from the 17-55 to buy your fast prime?


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Jul 03, 2008 09:59 |  #5

Tough one. My first inclination is to say 35L but the 5D option will get you a whole new set of lenses. You'll have to re-think your favorites and how you use them as the 17-40 will look a whole lot different.

I'm split between that... 35L is brilliant and won't lose it's value anytime soon. I prefer the 24 really, but the 35 is more useful if your work involves people rather than candid street... but the 5D gets you a whole new line-up and full frame goodness.


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Jul 03, 2008 10:00 |  #6

How do you like the 35/2? If you like it, you could sell it and pick up the 35L. Makes a very good, general lens. But you say you shoot regularly at 50mm for weddings, etc. so the 50L would make good sense there as well.

You already have two wide angle zooms, so maybe hold onto those and forego the 24L?

If you think the 5D is cheap now, wait a couple of months. ;)


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Jul 03, 2008 10:00 |  #7

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Then why not pick up the 5D now and use the money from the 17-55 to buy your fast prime?

Yes. That was my thought. I voted "5D" in the poll. Didn't try to vote for the 35L or other lens at the same time.


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Jul 03, 2008 10:12 as a reply to  @ post 5841553 |  #8

Did you consider selling the 17-55, getting a 5d and 85 1.8? Since you like 50mm, 85 should work well on the 5d. Pick up a 50 1.4, which works VERY well at f2.0+ for a fast gap filler. It's not L glass, but should give you very fast indoor shooting. The 50 & 85 may need to stop down a bit, but the 5d gives you an extra stop or two in noise handling. That leaves you with better indoor(non-flash) shots than your 30d + 50L.


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Jul 03, 2008 10:20 |  #9

a 5d will make all your glass shine (except 17-55), so IMO your best upgrade is selling the XTI and 17-55, buying a 5D and a 50L (or a 24-70)
you'll still be able to use your fave 17-40 on your 30D for your group photos ect, and it becomes even more of an UWA on your 5D, you get great high iso performance on the 5D as well as that beautiful FF goodness and a 50L or 24-70 2.8 would make your lineup very appropriate to the work you do

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Jul 03, 2008 10:26 |  #10

Too bad you are so far away...I would love to trade you a 40D body for the 17-55 IS....

Anyway....I love my 35L...and I can tell you how much I love the 50L next week...;)

If you went 5D...I would be very tempted to get the 85L...they are like magic together...


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Jul 03, 2008 10:36 |  #11

In2Photos wrote in post #5841510 (external link)
Then why not pick up the 5D now and use the money from the 17-55 to buy your fast prime?

That's my gut response as well, but it really will take some stretching to get the 5D body now. It may even require selling the 17-55 after the wedding season to help pay for the 5D.

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Tough one. My first inclination is to say 35L but the 5D option will get you a whole new set of lenses. You'll have to re-think your favorites and how you use them as the 17-40 will look a whole lot different.

I'm split between that... 35L is brilliant and won't lose it's value anytime soon. I prefer the 24 really, but the 35 is more useful if your work involves people rather than candid street... but the 5D gets you a whole new line-up and full frame goodness.

If I went the prime route I'm most inclinded for the 35L as it's right in the middle, not too wide, not too tight, and you forgo the possible 50L focus issues, and it seems to be a better overall performer than the 24L. As for the 5D I'm well aware that my lenses would really take on a new life, I would be most excited about the 17-40 becoming an UWA, I've wanted one for a few years but I've been avoiding lenses that aren't compatibile with full frame.

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How do you like the 35/2? If you like it, you could sell it and pick up the 35L. Makes a very good, general lens. But you say you shoot regularly at 50mm for weddings, etc. so the 50L would make good sense there as well.

You already have two wide angle zooms, so maybe hold onto those and forego the 24L?

If you think the 5D is cheap now, wait a couple of months.

I do like the 35mm F/2 well enough, there are times when I wish it was slightly wider, but nothing too major. It doesn't seem alot of use because F/2 really isn't fast enough to make me bother switching out my F/2.8 zoom with IS. I do use around 50mm for weddings quite often on my 17-55, but I am planning on drastically reducing the number of weddings I'm shooting next season. FWIW the 70-200 on 5D can give me the equivalent fov.
I am certainly curious to see where the 5D pricing ends up when the new release comes along. The used pricing is $1700-1800 for the body now which seems pretty decent.

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Did you consider selling the 17-55, getting a 5d and 85 1.8?

Selling the 17-55 isn't an option until after the wedding a season, it's too versatile to be without for now.

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a 5d will make all your glass shine (except 17-55), so IMO your best upgrade is selling the XTI and 17-55, buying a 5D and a 50L (or a 24-70)
you'll still be able to use your fave 17-40 on your 30D for your group photos ect, and it becomes even more of an UWA on your 5D, you get great high iso performance on the 5D as well as that beautiful FF goodness and a 50L or 24-70 2.8 would make your lineup very appropriate to the work you do

Dave

Agreed, I do like the idea of having 1.6 and FF and my lenses pulling "double duty", I probably wouldn't add a 24-70L again, but I'd plug a prime or two in there down the road to fill the gap between 17-40 / 70-200.



  
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Jul 03, 2008 10:39 |  #12

get the 5d, swap the 17-55 for a brick. then stop thinking about gear and shoot.


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Jul 03, 2008 10:46 |  #13

suyenfung wrote in post #5841813 (external link)
get the 5d, swap the 17-55 for a brick. then stop thinking about gear and shoot.

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Jul 03, 2008 10:50 |  #14

suyenfung wrote in post #5841813 (external link)
get the 5d, swap the 17-55 for a brick. then stop thinking about gear and shoot.

Aw c'mon guys, we all know thinking about gear is fun! What I really need to do is slow down on shooting, and speed up on processing (lot in the queue to do)! :)

Thanks for all of the input everyone!



  
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Jul 03, 2008 11:06 |  #15

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I am pleased with the 30D in most regards.

I want to buy once and be done with it, without having to second guess the performance.

Per your comments above, I would recommend the 35L. I went through the 28/1.8 and Sigma 30/1.4. Both were fine, but the 35L is finally one whose performance I don't second guess. I can count on it being sharp across the entire frame wide open, becoming very sharp at f/1.8, and critically sharp by f/2. And it feels great in your hand!


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