Photographer Hassled by Police

SlowBlink wrote in post #5869118
And an answer other than "I would but you wouldn't understand" would be helpful.
edit|: Paul Kopsch (an Ohio coroner), Daniel Turcos (a police sergeant), and Donald Ward (Kopsch's special investigator), began experimenting with special purpose handgun ammunition. Their objective was to develop a law enforcement round capable of improved penetration against hard targets, such as windshield glass and automobile doors. After some experimentation with steel rounds, the officers settled on a brass core with a lubricating jacket of Teflon. These bullets wore-out barrels far more quickly than normal jacketed rounds, as unlike lead the immalleable brass did not deform to fit the rifling. For this reason, the bullets were then coated with a layer of Teflon to reduce barrel wear.

I must apologize for assuming your lack of knowledge of weaponry.

I had assumed you were referring to what the general public believed were Armor Piercing... much of it media fuled with had nothing to do with a bullets ability to defeat common bulet proofing materials. Much like all that hoopla regarding the black "talon" bullets.

I did not realize you were aware of the testing conducted using teflon as well as other materials (I believe Moly Difuside something or other lol - used as dry lube) is also used in this regard.

I digress from the point but I believe winchester and federal now have a special "bonded" bullet where the jacket and the core are actually "bonded" -chemically I believe- so there is less seperation upon impact thus allowing deeper penetration.

Getting back on topic:

Hopefully there is an update of some sort... I checked out the site but no such luck. A lot of times, unless it is pushed, things like this get swept under the rug. Either he will drop the complaint or the city will offer some type of pay off.

Note to anybody who wants a laugh, undelete wizards or card recovery wizards.
Your camera never changes all the data back to 0000 its always 1011 (binary).
Your camera only deletes the Table of Contents, or the index if you will.
No matter what police do, you can't physically delete it on the spot.

fubarhouse wrote in post #5870249
Note to anybody who wants a laugh, undelete wizards or card recovery wizards.
Your camera never changes all the data back to 0000 its always 1011 (binary).
Your camera only deletes the Table of Contents, or the index if you will.
No matter what police do, you can't physically delete it on the spot.

Will in camera formatting delete the shots and make them unrecoverable?

Shutterbug Doug wrote in post #5870329
Will in camera formatting delete the shots and make them unrecoverable?

Doug, my very recent experience using the Sandisk data recovery tool on a well-used, and frequently formatted memory card tells me that the shots will still be recoverable after it has been formatted. The only proviso here is that if you take new images on the card before you have recovered the old images, the new images will overwrite the old, making the old images irretrievable (at least using this recovery tool).

nicksan wrote in post #5858961
I agree that cops needs to excercise emotional indifference but at the same time I think we would all agree that a lot of photog feel entitled or the right to be anywhere, anytime

Maybe because the law is clear on that they CAN, huh?

Photogs are strange people, who are aware of their rights and want to exercise them.

Southswede wrote in post #5864205
You based this on that article alone, or do you have additional information?

Having over 20 years experience as a cop, I can tell you this: there are three sides to every story. His side, the cops side and some where in the middle, is the truth. You don't even have ALL of his side in this story......

Of course, you are right as to the "real" situation, and the fallibility of witnesses My comments, as you correctly pointed out, were strictly based on facts as presented. I'm sure a "unbiased" investigation will find certain failures in the timeline, and what was said. The truth, indeed, is somewhere in the middle. Of course, is any investigation truly unbiased?

We, as a society, regularly substitute our own beliefs for fact, (much as I'm doing now...) and unlike the scientific method that describes making a hypothesis and trying to disprove it, we make the same hypothesis and try to prove it, ignoring facts that conflict with our desired outcome. Junk science. Junk investigations.

Ever wonder why the JFK investigation documents were sealed for an additional 25 years?

thebishopp wrote in post #5868975
You are right. With that one statement he merely identified himself as being one of the corrupt or at least supporting of them (the same as far as I'm concerned).

I was hoping that it was made "tongue in cheek" but if not then hopefully he is retired and not out on the streets practicing his Judge Dred impersonation.

ROFLMAO!!! I just love post like this, along with threads like this one!! It really doesn't seem to matter what message board topics like this come up on. The posters are all the same. They comment on a small part of a total situation, thinking they know all that happened. When it is pointed out that we know next to nothing, based on the source (the short, biased article in this case) they make comments like yours.

The anonymity of the internet is fun to watch! People with an agenda are exposed rather quickly. In spite of all the hand wringing, declaration of violated rights, false bravado about what they would have done, in the end they are the same: the call the cops with their problems, or follow what they are asked to do an any particular scene.....

But these threads are a lot of fun. I never take then serious, because they are not to be taken serious.

why wouldnt they want a photog around?? were they planning on doing some Illeagle stuff? wallet extractions? beatings? I dont understand... they wanted him to delete the pics?? makes no sense at all...

EORI wrote in post #5870668
Doug, my very recent experience using the Sandisk data recovery tool on a well-used, and frequently formatted memory card tells me that the shots will still be recoverable after it has been formatted. The only proviso here is that if you take new images on the card before you have recovered the old images, the new images will overwrite the old, making the old images irretrievable (at least using this recovery tool).

Thanks Eori, that's good to know. I knew if you hit "delete" they could be retrieved and I was aware that shooting on a card would overwrite the previous information from other posts here but also wonder if it just affects some(at the beginning or end?) or all.
I was thinking about trying this out just as a test case and see what happenes. Since I'm recently unemployed and have TONS of free time I might give it a go and see what results come from it concerning all scenarios.
BTW, loving the 24mm!

Shutterbug Doug wrote in post #5871020
I knew if you hit "delete" they could be retrieved and I was aware that shooting on a card would overwrite the previous information from other posts here but also wonder if it just affects some(at the beginning or end?) or all.

From what I could tell from images that I retrieved, the newer images appear to overwrite the older images at the beginning of the card.

Glad you're enjoying the 24mm.

zacker wrote in post #5871010
why wouldnt they want a photog around?? were they planning on doing some Illeagle stuff? wallet extractions? beatings? I dont understand... they wanted him to delete the pics?? makes no sense at all...

I don't know. I wasn't there, so I have no way of knowing what the scene was like or anything else. I can, like everyone else, only GUESS.

Here is what I have learned with over 20 years experience: 10% of society cause 90% of societies problems. People simply assume we are all the same. We are not. The 90% are decent, hard working up-standing people. They should NEVER think the 10% are just like them-they are not.

I got back into photography, because I started seeing society, as a whole, like the 10%. I needed to get a broader scope of the bigger picture. Photorgaphers like us, are the 90%. This has restored my faith in people as a whole.

What you have to remember, is that the LEO's have a job to do. Let them do it. If they ask you not to take pictures, don't. I isn't that hard of a concept...is it?

Southswede wrote in post #5871068
I don't know. I wasn't there, so I have no way of knowing what the scene was like or anything else. I can, like everyone else, only GUESS.

Here is what I have learned with over 20 years experience: 10% of society cause 90% of societies problems. People simply assume we are all the same. We are not. The 90% are decent, hard working up-standing people. They should NEVER think the 10% are just like them-they are not.

I got back into photography, because I started seeing society, as a whole, like the 10%. I needed to get a broader scope of the bigger picture. Photorgaphers like us, are the 90%. This has restored my faith in people as a whole.

What you have to remember, is that the LEO's have a job to do. Let them do it. If they ask you not to take pictures, don't. I isn't that hard of a concept...is it?

So what you're basically saying is never question authority and blindly conform? Nope, not my style, especially if I know I'm within my rights.

Shutterbug Doug wrote in post #5871086
So what you're basically saying is never question authority and blindly conform? Nope, not my style, especially if I know I'm within my rights.

Well alrighty then........

Southswede wrote in post #5871068
Here is what I have learned with over 20 years experience: 10% of society cause 90% of societies problems. People simply assume we are all the same. We are not. The 90% are decent, hard working up-standing people. They should NEVER think the 10% are just like them-they are not.

What makes police officers the exception to your observations about society in general? Should we assume that all of them are right 100% of the time?

No one is going to argue with you that the job performed by the majority of police officers are not valued and appreciated. There's no reason for you to defend the scofflaws among your ranks who pretend to be upholding the law.

Doug is spot on. Just blindly question authority? Nope. I love living in a democracy and not a fascist state and I want to keep it that way.

I was a firefighter/paramedic for years before switching careers. I know hundreds of LEOs and the thing I learned most about them is.......

wait for it.....


they're HUMAN!! and therefore prone to mistakes, errors in judgment, fallibility, etc..
LEOs DO have a hard job but so do lots of people. They also have a dangerous job but so do lots of people. Part of the responsibility of becoming a LEO is knowing when and where your authority ends.