Photographer Hassled by Police

The law doesn't account for taste or morality does it?
Sure, because they CAN but that doesn't necessarily mean it's in good taste or morally right.

If my kid was in some kind of nasty accident, I wouldn't want some photog shooting pics of the bloody mess. I am sure most would agree with that.

But there are always snapping away...sure..because they CAN.

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #5870810
Maybe because the law is clear on that they CAN, huh?

Photogs are strange people, who are aware of their rights and want to exercise them.

Democracy? What democracy? Now that's funny...

Yeah they are human. But getting into trouble because the LEO dealt with a photog completely unrelated to the case at hand must be frustrating.

Again, frankly, I would rather them dedicate 100% of their time to the case at hand, and not have to worry about how to treat photographer and his/her "rights".

polarbare wrote in post #5871785
Doug is spot on. Just blindly question authority? Nope. I love living in a democracy and not a fascist state and I want to keep it that way.

I was a firefighter/paramedic for years before switching careers. I know hundreds of LEOs and the thing I learned most about them is.......

wait for it.....


they're HUMAN!! and therefore prone to mistakes, errors in judgment, fallibility, etc..
LEOs DO have a hard job but so do lots of people. They also have a dangerous job but so do lots of people. Part of the responsibility of becoming a LEO is knowing when and where your authority ends.

EORI wrote in post #5871130
What makes police officers the exception to your observations about society in general? Should we assume that all of them are right 100% of the time?

No one is going to argue with you that the job performed by the majority of police officers are not valued and appreciated. There's no reason for you to defend the scofflaws among your ranks who pretend to be upholding the law.

Police are not the exception to my observation. Where did I say that? I have no problem with the trust, but verify way of thinking. PLease show me where I have EVER defended the "scofflaws" among my ranks! (You cannot, because I have NEVER done so.)

I'll sat it again, we don't have enough information to determine what happened on the OP's scene.

EORI wrote in post #5871130
What makes police officers the exception to your observations about society in general? Should we assume that all of them are right 100% of the time?

No one is going to argue with you that the job performed by the majority of police officers are not valued and appreciated. There's no reason for you to defend the scofflaws among your ranks who pretend to be upholding the law.

By the way, are you going to answer my earlier post question? You know, what Constitustional rights were violated and by who/whom?

Shutterbug Doug wrote in post #5871086
So what you're basically saying is never question authority and blindly conform? Nope, not my style, especially if I know I'm within my rights.

Never been my style either. But as i've gotten older, i pick my battle's a little better. I ask myself,is it really worth it ? In this case, I might of backed off a little more and kept shooting, or pulled out my p&s and started taping it
But I might have just left and filed a complaint later.

We really don't know what was first said , either, Maybe the trooper was an ass to begin with. But maybe, he just ask the guy to stop shooting, and then the photographer started shouting " It's my right's". Maybe he yanked out a copy of the "Photographer's Rights " and told the trooper to read it Either way , I think both handled it the wrong way.

But it's nice to know you can recover images you delete, if the need be.

polarbare wrote in post #5871785
Doug is spot on. Just blindly question authority? Nope. I love living in a democracy and not a fascist state and I want to keep it that way.

.

But you don't live in a democracy. You live in a Representative Republic, or didn't you know that?

nicksan wrote in post #5871904
Democracy? What democracy? Now that's funny...

Yeah they are human. But getting into trouble because the LEO dealt with a photog completely unrelated to the case at hand must be frustrating.

Again, frankly, I would rather them dedicate 100% of their time to the case at hand, and not have to worry about how to treat photographer and his/her "rights".

HOW DARE YOU interject common sense!!

CountryBoy wrote in post #5871952
Never been my style either. But as i've gotten older, i pick my battle's a little better. I ask myself,is it really worth it ? In this case, I might of backed off a little more and kept shooting, or pulled out my p&s and started taping it
But I might have just left and filed a complaint later.

We really don't know what was first said , either, Maybe the trooper was an ass to begin with. But maybe, he just ask the guy to stop shooting, and then the photographer started shouting " It's my right's". Maybe he yank out a copy of the "Photographer's Rights " and told the trooper to read it Either way , I think both handled it the wrong way.

But it's nice to know you can recover images you delete, if the need be.

Hey! More common sense!!!

Southswede wrote in post #5871968
But you don't live in a democracy. You live in a Representative Republic, or didn't you know that?

Technically, I believe its a Federal Republic.

polarbare wrote in post #5871785
Doug is spot on. Just blindly question authority? Nope. I love living in a democracy and not a fascist state and I want to keep it that way.

I was a firefighter/paramedic for years before switching careers. I know hundreds of LEOs and the thing I learned most about them is.......

wait for it.....


they're HUMAN!! and therefore prone to mistakes, errors in judgment, fallibility, etc..
LEOs DO have a hard job but so do lots of people. They also have a dangerous job but so do lots of people. Part of the responsibility of becoming a LEO is knowing when and where your authority ends.

Police are held to a higher standard. Yes they are human and mistakes happen, but getting arrested, thrown in jail, having to fight a court case and possibly having a record all because some overzealous cop was on a power trip can wreck someones life, emotionally and financially. LEO's need to know the laws they enforce and if they choose to enforce one, they better be 100% certain about it.

cory1848 wrote in post #5872140
Police are held to a higher standard. Yes they are human and mistakes happen, but getting arrested, thrown in jail, having to fight a court case and possibly having a record all because some overzealous cop was on a power trip can wreck someones life, emotionally and financially. LEO's need to know the laws they enforce and if they choose to enforce one, they better be 100% certain about it.

What makes you think we don't know the laws we enforce?

mattograph wrote in post #5872006
Technically, I believe its a Federal Republic.

http://www.albatrus.or​g …%20versus%20rep​ubblic.htm

Amazing how your reasoning of "common sense" goes hand in hand with blind conformity.
Hey, I might have backed off as well but that doesn't make the troopers actions correct do they? The arrested togs civil rights, as the story goes, were violated would you not agree?

I ran across this interesting web site,
http://carlosmiller.co​m …grapher-to-delete-images/

This is a quote " One thing…I did not unlock scooter…I was hand cuffed, locked in police car, and told to shut-up while the police unlocked my scooter (illegal) and took my camera out (illegal) and started passing camera around pushing butons and deleting photos. The deletions were random because they got some of the crime and some of the paid shoot photos I had just finished before the accident."

Southswede wrote in post #5872162
http://www.albatrus.or​g …%20versus%20rep​ubblic.htm

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That was interesting.

My understanding has always been that a Federal Republic features a central leader elected by a number of established, sovereign states (electoral college). A representative republic is similar, yet the bodies of people represented need not be, and are most likely not, organized by the sovereignty.

So, we could say the US is organized as Federal Republic, and our states and localities are organized as a representative republic.

How's that for having it both ways!

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