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Jul 07, 2008 10:38 |  #1

So, I have been working a part time job for a year to be able to buy some toys and I have about 12K left. I have a 30D and the 70-300 & the 18-55 kit lenses. I want to upgrade and am thinking about getting the
24-70 2.8 ($1190)
50 1.4 ($355)
70-200 2.8 IS ($1575)
400mm 2.8 ($6800)

I would also like to get a second body and was thinking about the 5D but having read some reviews it seems like it is not good for sports or wildlife photography (both of which I do often). Should I get the 40D?

I shoot mainly sports photography (football, soccer, track, baseball, some basketball) and wildlife photography along with landscapes. I would like to move into wedding photography but will need practice. Also, I do not have any decent photo editing software...which are the better ones? Thanks for the help and advice!

Eric


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Jul 07, 2008 10:42 |  #2

Wait for the 5D Mk II ;)


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Jul 07, 2008 10:52 |  #3

I'd scratch the 400, get a 300 instead, and use the remaining funds to pick up a 1 series body.


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Jul 07, 2008 10:55 |  #4

I would donate it to the CDI Fotografi Broke-As-A-**** Foundation instead.


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Jul 07, 2008 11:05 |  #5

1Ds MKIII
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100-400 f/4-5.6L IS
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Jul 07, 2008 11:18 |  #6

Ooh, you can buy an 800mm f/5.6 and have $.01 left over! $11,999.00 at B&H.


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Jul 07, 2008 11:20 |  #7

12k? geez... I'd put most of it away in investments.


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Jul 07, 2008 11:30 |  #8

Hi Eric,

It's an incredible lens, but unless you really, really need it, I'm not sure about the 400/2.8. I guess if you are only going to have one super tele, that may be a good choice. I opted for the 300/2.8 and 500/4 combo instead... Both are smaller and lighter than the 400/2.8. For example, if using a gimbal head with the 400/2.8 (which you will probably want), you are pretty much limited to a tripod dedicated to use with just that lens. Add another $1200-1500 for that. Just something to think about and decide for yourself. If you haven't already done so, you might want to rent the 400/2.8 for a little while and shoot with it, to see what you think.

(Note: with the smaller, lighter 300mm and 500mm, you can use a gimbal attachment, like the Wimberley Sidekick, on a standard ballhead and tripod rig, so it's not a "dedicated unit" and remains usable with all your other equipment. I use the Sidekick with a Kirk BH-1 head on a Gitzo 1325 'pod. Works great.)

Regarding the 5D, I disagree about waiting for still-mythical new models. I'm sure the 5D Mk II will be great (but it's probably back on the drawing board again now that the D700 has been announced). However, the current 5D compliments your 30D very nicely. The two cameras are very similar in feel and operation. Side by side, it's obvious they are the same generation of Canon.

We can pretty much expect the new 5D will be priced $2900 to $3300. You can get the current version a whole lot less, and nearly 13MP will give you plenty of image to work with, especially compared to your current 8MP, 1.6X 30D (I'm not knocking that camera, I use two of them myself).

Yes, the 5D is slower operating. For sports, that's important if you tend to "spray and pray", turn on a high frame rate and hold the shutter release down, hoping you'll get a good shot. If, on the other hand, you time your shots, then it should be fine. It won't have as much "reach" as a cropper. Many pro sports shooters are tending to go with 1D cameras for the 1.3X crop, which some of them appreciate because it allows them to replace their 400/2.8s and 600/4s with 300/2.8s and 500/4s (none of us are getting any younger!).

But, you've got all that covered with your 30D, don't you? Maybe you'll want to upgrade that some day.

Yes, ideal would be one or the other of the 1D series cameras. Bigger, heavier, more expensive to buy and to repair, though. And, there's no option to remove the grip to make the camera more portable. But, they are workhorses and hard to beat. Still, the current 5D gives you more MP than the 1D M3, and full frame like the 1Ds M3.

Current 5D also is very good at low light, thanks to it's less crowded CMOS sensor. Who knows if the new one, which undoubtedly will have higher resolution to stay competitive, will be as good at high ISOs. I'm sure Canon will try to make it so, but whether or not they manage it remains to be seen.

Plus, we have absolutely no idea when the new 5D will appear. So you could be waiting a while. Everyone was sure it was going to be intro'd in January... Then in February... Then in April... Then possibly in July.... Now they are saying late August to September. But no one really knows for sure (except folks at Canon who aren't saying anything).

Have you considered buying a used 5D? There are some bargains around now. I prefer to buy from a reputable dealer, like B&H, Adorama or KEH.com (my second 30D came used from KEH last fall... great price, rated a "bargain" but looked near new and just lacked the batteries and accessories, which I already had).

As a nature/wildlife shooter, what about a macro lens? For use on the 30D, I'd recommend the 100/2.8. For use on the full frame 5D, I'd lean toward the 180/3.5.

Overall, I say go for it! You will have a blast, moving up from the kit/entry level glass. I think you are on a good track: Lenses before bodies. Again, probably all the lenses you are considering are available to rent, to try before you buy, if you wish.


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Jul 07, 2008 11:35 |  #9

Get rid of the 30D. With the standard of glass you're budgeting for, the 30D will be the limiting factor. You'll be best off with a 1D body and some decent glass rather than a consumer body and awesome glass.


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Jul 07, 2008 11:38 |  #10

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12k? geez... I'd put most of it away in investments.

Well said.  :p


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Jul 07, 2008 11:47 |  #11

picturecrazy wrote in post #5865358 (external link)
12k? geez... I'd put most of it away in investments.

Or at least day-trade with it, then take your profits and buy camera stuff.




  
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Jul 07, 2008 11:47 |  #12

He's is investing it, into his photography business. So let's drop this line of questioning please. It's off topic in a photo forum.

This all seems good,
24-70 2.8 ($1190)
50 1.4 ($355)
70-200 2.8 IS ($1575)

but your emphasis on subject matter has me wondering if the 85mm f/1.8 might be a better option than the 50mm.
If you do go for a 1D, this will make even more sense.
Also I'd agree with the idea of looking at the much more usable 300mm f/2.8 and then leaving more budget available for body and or more glass.

You may want to look at the 17-40mm or 16-35mm L zooms as well.


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Jul 07, 2008 12:45 |  #13

300mm f/2.8 + 1.4 TC instead of the 400mm. And, a 1D3.



  
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Jul 07, 2008 14:13 as a reply to  @ jr_senator's post |  #14

40d is nice for sports and wildlife. That 400 f/2.8 would be quite a setup. If there is any left, get yourself set up with a kick-a$$ gimbal head for your tripod. You'll need it.

For photo editing, I know I am more than happy with my standard Photoshop.


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Jul 07, 2008 14:22 as a reply to  @ jr_senator's post |  #15

Thanks for all the responses. As for the investments responses, I am an accountant well invested and I max out my 401k's each year. This is why I decided to work the extra job for my toys, this is my reward for my hard work without having to go into debt for it.

I have been torn between the 50 1.4 and the 85 1.8. But, if I get the 24-70 2.8 wouldn't that cover me for most of what the 85 1.8 can do except for the lowlight situations w/o flash?

If I go with the 300mm and the 500mm 4.0 instead of the 400 2.8 would that not affect capturing some nighttime images at football and baseball games? I was looking at some of the professional sports photographers and the use the 400 2.8 to get the nighttime shots at sporting events.

Also, I am kind of leaning towards the 1D body as a second body (or #1 body). How difficult will it be shooting with the 1D and the 30D at the same time? Is there really that much of a difference between the operation of the two? Thanks again for the responses!


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