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Jul 07, 2008 13:30 |  #1

I'm really intrigued by this guy's shots... and am curious how he is using a snoot to light the background.. seems like you wouldnt want a circle of light on a background, otherwise the light would be obviously artificial... but he seems to do just fine with it.

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=sqMI72jsXRQ (external link)

do you think his way of filling the background (with a snoot) is the best option?

Does the intensity of the light change when you use a snoot.. or does it just cut off the edges of the flash?

How do you know what level to set the flash at when using it to fill the background?


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Jul 07, 2008 13:38 |  #2

Actually he's not filling the background with the flash, he's using it as a hairlight to separate the model from the background.

He is using what looks like PWs to trigger. I would expect the flash was in manual mode and metered separately.


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Jul 07, 2008 14:08 |  #3

Titus213 wrote in post #5866195 (external link)
Actually he's not filling the background with the flash, he's using it as a hairlight to separate the model from the background.

He is using what looks like PWs to trigger. I would expect the flash was in manual mode and metered separately.

Why does the background look so much more lit up then?


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Jul 07, 2008 14:47 |  #4

Got me, but if you watch you can see the flash go off in the video at about 1:34. I think he moved to more vividly show his lighting.


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Jul 08, 2008 01:00 |  #5

ok It appears that that he is metered the main light (sun) and exposed for that and only using the strobe to separate the model from the background. Also him using the 70-200 helps flatten the image. My guess is the background was 1 stop darker then the main light


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Jul 08, 2008 10:00 |  #6

Yes, he is using the snoot to help more specifically direct the flash onto the model to rim light her to help separate her from the background. I do this all the time and is one of my favorite types of lighting, exactly what he is doing. But sometimes I also fire an on camera flash as well to help fill the front side shadows of needed.


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Jul 08, 2008 11:05 |  #7

Dermit wrote in post #5871967 (external link)
Yes, he is using the snoot to help more specifically direct the flash onto the model to rim light her to help separate her from the background. I do this all the time and is one of my favorite types of lighting, exactly what he is doing. But sometimes I also fire an on camera flash as well to help fill the front side shadows of needed.

Exactly. In that scenario he couldn't possibly 'light' the background. That's not what he's trying to do. He is simply using the snoot to get very directional collimated light and he's creating an accent, or hair light. This creates separation and the illusion of a background being lit without there being a wall or flat background to actually light.


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Jul 08, 2008 12:00 |  #8

A lot of what photography is about is conveying to a viewer a subject and a background. The two should, most of the time, be very distinct. You should not make the viewer 'work' to figure out where one starts and the other ends. Creating separation of subject from background can be done in several ways. In most outdoor on location shots you can get some nice directional/modeled side lighting and maybe even use an on camera fill to bring detail into the shadows of the subject. But often times the shadow side of the subject can/will still be of the same tonality as the background and therefore the subject to background separation is deemed poor. Well the fact is that this shadow side and the background are quite often in reality the same tone. One really cool way to remedy this is to add this kicker, hair light, rim light to the subject so it will create a very thin line of brighter light at the edge of the subject which will now contrast the background and create the separation needed. A snoot helps 'focus' the light to a specific area. Without it you might get too much spill over and light up too much of the subject and maybe even create flares if it hits your lens. Often times if I don't have a snoot handy I will just manually zoom my Canon flash to something like 105mm and keep it relatively close to the subject.


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