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Jul 10, 2008 05:11 |  #1

Ok, I've just got a new monitor (a 19" Eizo, calibrated with an Eye-One Display II), and I wanted to check how its gamut compares with sRGB.

I don't have any fancy profile analysis software, so this is what I did.

I created a document of six swatches of pure R,G,B,C,M & Y - 255-0-0, 255-255-0, etc, in Photoshop.

I assigned my monitor profile to the document, then converted it to sRGB (using Relative Colorimetric, BPC on), and checked the resulting values.

Red: 255,0,0
Green: 0,248,0
Blue: 0,71,255
Cyan: 0,255,255
Magenta: 255,68,255
Yellow: 255,247,0

From this, I deduce:

> My monitor's red and cyan are equal to or more saturated than sRGB red and cyan, and identical in hue (I hope my terminology is accurate enough for this unscientific experiment)

> Monitor green is almost as saturated as sRGB green, and identical in hue

> Monitor yellow is about as saturated as sRGB yellow, but just a teensy bit on the red side

Then I get a little bit uncertain, so this is more of a question than a deduction:

> Monitor blue is at least as saturated as sRGB blue, but much greener

And I've got no idea how to interpret the magenta. The red and blue components would indicate that monitor magenta is beyond sRGB magenta, yet the significant green component would appear to haul that back.

Would anyone care to discuss/contribute/pok​e fun?


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Jul 10, 2008 17:17 |  #2

Gee ... nobody?


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Jul 10, 2008 17:20 |  #3

I was interested in the concept and lurking - afraid I'm still too ignorant of colour management to comment.... ;)


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Jul 10, 2008 17:29 |  #4

Try downloading OpenRGB and testing the differences in gamut... I don't know if what you're doing is accurate or not.


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Jul 10, 2008 22:25 |  #5

Huh???? :confused: I have no clue. How do the images look?


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Jul 10, 2008 22:26 |  #6

http://www.logicol.com​/index.php?X=ORGB (external link)


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Jul 10, 2008 22:27 |  #7

LOL! The images look great - you know it ;)

And frankly, very few images I deal with ever challenge the extremes of even sRGB, so I'm not concerned about colours I can't see.

I was just curious, is all.


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Jul 10, 2008 22:28 |  #8

Thanks, SolidxSnake, I'll check that out tonight.


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Jul 10, 2008 22:30 |  #9

BWT, it's a sin to use sRGB on an Eizo. :lol:
Spoils you doesn't it?


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Jul 10, 2008 22:48 |  #10

Well, that's the point, isn't it? If my testing is sound, the monitor only just encompasses sRGB. And when I ran the same test with Adobe RGB, it's not even close.

Don't get me wrong - this is the only Eizo I could afford, and I'm rapt with it.


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Jul 10, 2008 22:53 |  #11

Does that one have the iOne software built in?


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Jul 10, 2008 22:57 |  #12

No, it's got Color Navigator.


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Jul 10, 2008 23:03 |  #13

Then it should have the software for the iOne in Color Navigator. Check the Eizo site for any updates. I also uninstalled my Spyder software (that's what I use) before using CN to calibrate.
Late here. Off to bed.


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Jul 11, 2008 02:16 |  #14

Here are a few ideas off the top of my head, for what they're worth! I'm at work, so I can't access Photoshop to try this myself.

Try converting the above RGB vlues into HSL notation - it should be easier to understand the differences. It's difficult to separate saturation and brightness in RGB. Alternatively, just set up the colour values in the info pallette so that it displays RGB and HSL values.

Try taking your image with saturated RGBCMY colours, convert to HSL, and reduce the lightness (while keeping saturation at 100%). Then (via RGB colour) convert to sRGB and see how the saturation values have changed. You need to do this at different values of L in order to test the gamut at different brightness levels.

An easier test is to take the image in the monitor profile, set the soft proof to sRGB and turn the gamut warning on. Then you can easily see what's out of gamut as you change values (while still working in the monitor profile). I'm not sure if you can do this with the image in HSL - probably not? - but you can monitor HSL values in the info pallette.

If you are seeing gamut clipping, try reducing the saturation of those colours (in your monitor profile) to see at what point the gamut clipping disappears. Again, this will be different at different brightness levels - this is a 3 dimensional problem :)


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Jul 11, 2008 07:07 |  #15

Also, when using relative colorimetric, out of gamut colors are clipped.
So if your monitor 255;0;0 is way more red then sRGB red, it would still end up as 255;0;0 in sRGB (assuming it's along the same line of red, so no G or B added).

To see what's happening, create a color spectrum (Click here (external link)) in ProPhoto RGB. You'll probably see quite a few parts "block up" because they are out of monitor gamut. Now assign AdobeRGB. Should block up a lot less. (on a wide gamut screen; almost no blocking up).

Figuring out things like this "by the numbers" in RGB will drive you up the wall quite quick ;). Here is another read: Click (external link).


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