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Mini-Review of the Sigma 150-500 vs Canon 100-400L

 
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Jul 12, 2008 07:42 |  #31

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The 100% crops show that the Sigma is still a small amount softer than the 100-400, but only comes into play if you are heavily cropping or printing oversized posters.

I think that is a fair summary when using the lens in these conditions. Thanks for being so fair and thorough.

Walking/driving through the African bush and you see a gorgeous wild Scarlett Johansson feeding in the distance, with access to 500mm and 4 stop OS my bet would be on the Sigma to catch a better shot ;)

That is why choices about this kinda lens can be so difficult. For regular zoo and urban/leisure shooters who operate around 200-350mm or so, and maybe use a monopod to help carry and support, then the Canon is more than good enough and a sensible choice if ya wanna pay the premium. Out in the wilds where you mainly need a rock steady platform from your OS/IS and also greater range rather than less to capture the shot then you see why the Sigma would be a better choice for some.


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Jul 12, 2008 07:59 |  #32

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Thanks for the review. The Siggy is on its way to me and I can't wait to play with it. I don't see enough difference in the two copies, but your shots do look like the Canon has a slight edge. I wonder though if this is due to you stopping the Canon down to achieve the same aperture as the Sigma. I won't ask you to take all shots wide open though as I have already decided on which lens I want.

Have fun and good luck choosing the copy you are going to keep. :)

Thanks, I will definitely try a few more tests, and maybe get to the zoo with the Sigma to help.

On the 300mm comparison, they were wide open, the Canon was at f5 and the Sigma at f5.6. I could indeed do a Raw test with the Canon at f/5.6 and the Sigma at f/6.3, but knowing my 100-400, there won't be a very noticeable difference.

The only thing though with those without the MKIII microadjustments, your results may vary a bit. The Canon is now at +4 and the Sigma at +7, I really love this feature on the MKIII.


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Jul 12, 2008 08:18 |  #33

The funny thing the last time I did this between the Bigma and the 100-400, I had PMs lining up with requests for each!

I like doing these reviews, they are fun, and I get to understand exposure and post processing, etc more each time. Hopefully folks can get a better feel before they order either lens, they are both priced where they need to be ($940 vs $1340, $400 difference), and thus I don't think you can lose with either one. Just keep an eye on news of whether there is an issue with the OS. It is very different than the Canon version, and I am curious if others see the periodic twitch as they use this lens for birding, etc.


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Jul 12, 2008 08:35 |  #34

I wanted to wrap up my review with a couple of macro shots. This is using Kenko tubes, but makes for a very unwieldy combination. Both are with the Sigma...


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Jul 12, 2008 08:43 |  #35

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Here is a partial crop side by side, followed by the 100% crop side by side, for the 2nd scene. I am at +7 micro adjustment on the Sigma. I used this scene to do a very detailed micro adjustment, and this is as good as it gets. The 100% crops show that the Sigma is still a small amount softer than the 100-400, but only comes into play if you are heavily cropping or printing oversized posters. The minor loss in detail is still there, again the texture of the rock shows this a bit.

these 2 last 100% shots pretty much show that unless your a pixel peeping nut you will not see a difference in quality. I think that 150-500 looks like a great lens for the price


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Jul 12, 2008 09:33 |  #36

Just wait for my next mini review, it is 1000mm with no TCs....


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Jul 12, 2008 13:28 |  #37

Great review and just shows how close they are but that 100mm extra reach and 4stop OS just make's it more of a bargain for thoes needing it.
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Jul 12, 2008 13:52 |  #38

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For the ultimate, ultimate WB impact you could do that, but personally I would just shoot in RAW and adjust in PP. JPG's are very poor compared to a RAW file. Shoot both at the same time and then open them up. Clear as day.

Worth noting also that different RAW processors are not created equal. I use Bibble Pro and it still amazes me how well it will render an image. I have had shots lying in my 'not worth PPing' folders that have suddenly become excellent. WB has a powerful impact on sharpness, highs and lows and helps images pop right off the page.

Using JPG's for testing means way too many compromises.

Thanks for clearing the WB concepts up for me. still feeling my way along. I keep forgetting that WB does not affect when shooting RAW right except for maybe the histogram on the camera?

I only shoot in RAW using LR & CS3 for editing. I have read lots of good things about Bibble Pro. My problem is lack of vocabulary, especially in terms of editing. I'm still learning terms/jargon and the whole idea of what effects work best when. Basically I am just "playing it by eye" for now as I develop a deeper understanding.


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Jul 12, 2008 13:57 |  #39

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Just wait for my next mini review, it is 1000mm with no TCs....

¿qué?


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Jul 12, 2008 14:04 |  #40

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LOL, hint, f10 manual 1000mm lens... (shouldn't be too hard) ;)

I ran one more quick check at 500mm to compare f6.3 to f8. 500mm at f/6.3 vs f/8 below (top vs bottom). F8 is better, and probably is that bridge between to get the IQ nearly identical to the Canon at f/6.3.


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Jul 12, 2008 14:53 |  #41

hahahaha....you are a wildman TS!! :) Love that!!

boy iy sure looks as if you nailed the IQ issue between the lenses in this last post. Maybe it was the F/8 vs. f/5.6. Kinda proves the trueism that every lens can produce quality images if one takes time to get the proper feel for it's quirks. Well, every lens except for the bork'd ones...those go back.

Thanks for the work posting these pics. It will certainly reduce my adjustment period one I get mine here. :)


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Jul 12, 2008 23:06 |  #42

I gotta say, I still want to give this lens a try.
I'm not buying one untill I can mind you, but I would love to run one through it's paces.


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Jul 13, 2008 03:55 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #43

hmm. so if you consider it an f8 lens then sharpness/detail really isn't an issue. and even if you use it at f6.3 then it *really* isn't an issue unless you feel like making it one, or really really need the ultimate detail and heavily crop?

considering options for a long lens at the moment. I'm no professional and don't do safaris :D but I have a 70-200 f4LIS and a 1.4x TC, so the 100-400 just feels like it might not be long enough to give clear blue water between the two. Don't know if that makes sense. The 150-500 certainly does though, and I find OS a must have personally.

does the sigma OS have a panning mode? I'd use the lens less for wildlife than for cars/planes kind of stuff. cars may be monopodded sometimes (not always) but planes wouldn't be.


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Jul 13, 2008 03:57 as a reply to  @ post 5895295 |  #44

BTW, could you do a comparison of the sigma at 500mm f8, and the 100-400 + 1.4x TC at 500mm, which would also be f8 wide open?

Thats the other element clouding my choice. Thinking 100-400 is fine for day to day stuff, and I have a 1.4x for those times Ineed more length. How does a wide open 100-400 compare to a slightly stopped down 150-500?


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Jul 13, 2008 04:21 |  #45

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hmm. so if you consider it an f8 lens then sharpness/detail really isn't an issue. and even if you use it at f6.3 then it *really* isn't an issue unless you feel like making it one, or really really need the ultimate detail and heavily crop?

does the sigma OS have a panning mode? I'd use the lens less for wildlife than for cars/planes kind of stuff. cars may be monopodded sometimes (not always) but planes wouldn't be.

Correct ... I used mine wide open most of the time and happy with the results, but thern I don't print large posters with mine.

It has a panning mode.

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Thats the other element clouding my choice. Thinking 100-400 is fine for day to day stuff, and I have a 1.4x for those times Ineed more length. How does a wide open 100-400 compare to a slightly stopped down 150-500?

You need to account for copy variation. My 150-500mm OS out performed my previous two 100-400mm's but mine where not anything other than average IMO so that won't necessarily apply comparing all copies: some will be better than others. But I am pretty certain a 150-500mm will spank a 100-400mm with TCon.


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