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Jul 19, 2008 08:13 |  #1

So im trying to learn more flash photography, and I have a question.

- In M mode, I set my Shutter, Aparture and ISO to expose my background.
- Then turn my flash on on ETTL and let it automatically light up my subject.

How would I set my White Balance on my image if my background is light up by tungsten ambient light and my subject is flash?


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Jul 19, 2008 08:15 |  #2

You need to put a CTO gel over the flash to make the flash color the same as the lights. If you shoot it with a naked flash, there is no PP in the world that can white balance two distinctly different color temperatures in the same photograph.


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Jul 19, 2008 08:23 |  #3

I had this problem at a recent wedding in a large hotel ballroom. The people up close looked fine but the people in the background were yellow. The camera flash produces white (daylight) light, whereas tungsten light is very yellow. As JeffreyG said, the only way to fix this is to put a yellow "CTO" colored gel (a piece of thin plastic) over the flash (usually adhered with velcro.) That way the light from your flash is the same color as the tunsten (all the same color) and corrected easily with software.


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Jul 19, 2008 09:04 as a reply to  @ John E's post |  #4

ahhhh, very nice... i do have a set of gels which i would have about 20 different yellows to choose from. just eye ball the ambient tungsten light with the gel and put it on and fire away right? sounds good. i will try this tonite.


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Jul 19, 2008 21:22 |  #5

Go to photovision and get one of these http://www.photovision​video.com …_Code=P&Categor​y_Code=DCT (external link)

take your shot. go to custom WB off the menu. select the image you just took. Go to WB on the little pad on your camera on the right and click it. select custom white balance.

then you will have the perfect white balance, ISO and exposure the first time :)


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Jul 19, 2008 21:58 |  #6

Flash is rather blue and tungsten lights used in households are orange, so a gel is necessary. Many of the gels are matched to studio tungsten hotlights, which are higher in temperture than the typical household lights. Because of this, it may be difficult to find the perfect match, there will probably be some difference between the subject lit by the gel covered flash and the ambient light background, but it will be very minor.


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Jul 19, 2008 22:01 |  #7

Fabian9931 wrote in post #5941354 (external link)
ahhhh, very nice... i do have a set of gels which i would have about 20 different yellows to choose from. just eye ball the ambient tungsten light with the gel and put it on and fire away right? sounds good. i will try this tonite.

NO! It must be a proper CTO Colour Balanced Gel, Like the Rosco ones.


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Jul 19, 2008 22:34 |  #8

General concept:
http://strobist.blogsp​ot.com …sing-gels-to-correct.html (external link)
https://photography-on-the.net …280&highlight=g​el+ambient

Fluro: https://photography-on-the.net …248&highlight=g​el+ambient

Do an advanced search in this forum for "gel ambient".


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Jul 19, 2008 23:10 |  #9

ForHisGlory wrote in post #5944578 (external link)
Go to photovision and get one of these http://www.photovision​video.com …_Code=P&Categor​y_Code=DCT (external link)

take your shot. go to custom WB off the menu. select the image you just took. Go to WB on the little pad on your camera on the right and click it. select custom white balance.

then you will have the perfect white balance, ISO and exposure the first time :)

This won't work if you have 2 different temperature lighting sources.


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Jul 20, 2008 09:27 |  #10

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NO! It must be a proper CTO Colour Balanced Gel, Like the Rosco ones.

YES! that is the gels that i have, Rosco. Theres about 500 different colors, So ill just match one up to the ambient light and use that one.


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Jul 20, 2008 09:42 |  #11

Fabian9931 wrote in post #5946822 (external link)
YES! that is the gels that i have, Rosco. Theres about 500 different colors, So ill just match one up to the ambient light and use that one.

No, you'll want to use one of the first five in the pack, assuming you haven't disassembled it, that are labeled CTO and are gel number 3407, 3411, 3408, 3409, 3410.


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Jul 20, 2008 21:39 |  #12

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No, you'll want to use one of the first five in the pack, assuming you haven't disassembled it, that are labeled CTO and are gel number 3407, 3411, 3408, 3409, 3410.

Ok, i see what your saying, yes its still in order. I see the CTO gels in the front... I will try that.


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Jul 21, 2008 13:54 as a reply to  @ Fabian9931's post |  #13

Suggest taking pictures in RAW and doing white balance later.




  
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Jul 21, 2008 14:18 |  #14

chawki12 wrote in post #5954899 (external link)
Suggest taking pictures in RAW and doing white balance later.

i always shoot in raw. i love it raw :lol:


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Jul 21, 2008 15:12 |  #15

chawki12 wrote in post #5954899 (external link)
Suggest taking pictures in RAW and doing white balance later.

Unfortunately, like the CWB mentioned before, that will not help one bit in this case: You can get good WB for flash or for ambient, but not for both, unless you gel the flash...


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