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Continuous lighting vs. Flash

 
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Jul 21, 2008 11:54 |  #1

I am doing research on lighting and looking to go with continuous vs. Flash.

In research I am getting some feedback about using Flash, but my feeling is I can see what I am getting with continuous. That is as far as shadows, overall lighting, and hotspots. With flash you can't really see the result until you take the shot.

Looking for feedback on what others prefer.

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Jul 21, 2008 12:03 |  #2

I feel like I'm having a Deja Vu experience. Oh wait, I just replied with the same answer in your other thread. Most studio strobes have modeling lights which allow you to see the result before taking the shot.


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Jul 21, 2008 15:35 |  #3

Modeling lights on all but the more expensive strobes are too weak to be of much use for pre-visualizing shadows. A 60 or 100 watt incandescent bulb just isn't strong enough.
You can buy 3 to 5 bulb daylight balanced CFL heads from places like B&H now for around $200 or a little less. These are pretty good for continuous lighting. Stay way from tungsten though. Too hot, too much juice needed to power them. You can alos buy 100 to 150 actual-watt daylight balanced CFL's from a few online retailers. These put out as much light as a 500 or 600 watt tungsten lights, but run much cooler and suck up much less juice.


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Jul 21, 2008 15:53 |  #4

Only problem with continous lighting is it takes ALOT of light to allow you to use smaller apertures, which, as mentioned above, leads to heat issues.


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Jul 21, 2008 16:44 |  #5

Covered a little in an FAQ: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=113639


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Jul 22, 2008 17:48 |  #6

With 2x 105 CFL's in a 2x3' softbox, I am shooting at around ISO 400, 1/90 @ f/4 or so.

Witha couple 50 watt CFL's for hair or accent lights, it can be pushed to 1/125 or maybe ISO 200. Not too bad for portrait work.


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Jul 22, 2008 19:37 |  #7

c71clark wrote in post #5963752 (external link)
With 2x 105 CFL's in a 2x3' softbox, I am shooting at around ISO 400, 1/90 @ f/4 or so.

Witha couple 50 watt CFL's for hair or accent lights, it can be pushed to 1/125 or maybe ISO 200. Not too bad for portrait work.

I have been looking at the INTERFIT Cool Lite 5 kit with 2 heads. The two of the would have 500 watts each (eqv). I not sure how that compares to your set up but I was wanting to be able to shoot at f4 around 1/125 at ISO 100.

Is this going to be possible.


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Jul 22, 2008 22:35 |  #8

Probably not with just the one head, unless it's a very tight shot where you can get the light *very* close to the subject. Some of it would depend on the light modifier you may or may not use. I put my lights in a softbox with the front diffuser attached. Without it I might get another stop of light.
If you use a reflector, or better yet, a second light for fill, it's more likely. My setup so far is the 2 big 105 watt lights in one softbox as the main, and 2 separate 35 watt CFL's as fill/hair/rim or whatever.

If I do buy the Impact 5-light head http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …ive_Lamp_Fluore​scent.html (external link), it will be because I can replace the 30 watt bulbs included with 5 50 watt bulbs instead. http://www.1000bulbs.c​om …ompact-Fluorescents/8742/ (external link)That would put out a LOT of light... about 1250 watts tungsten equivalent for one head.

I am still working all this out, but so far it looks like you need to put out at least 20,000 lumens of light (around 1,500 watt tungsten, or 400 watt CFL) to get the shuuter speed up enough and the aperture closed enough to work comfortably.

Going with strobes is the easy answer, of course, and with a flash meter, it isn't really that hard technically. It just takes some practice pre-visualizing the light. My goal is to be good at both.


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Jul 23, 2008 10:26 |  #9

c71clark wrote in post #5965619 (external link)
Probably not with just the one head, unless it's a very tight shot where you can get the light *very* close to the subject. Some of it would depend on the light modifier you may or may not use. I put my lights in a softbox with the front diffuser attached. Without it I might get another stop of light.
If you use a reflector, or better yet, a second light for fill, it's more likely. My setup so far is the 2 big 105 watt lights in one softbox as the main, and 2 separate 35 watt CFL's as fill/hair/rim or whatever.

If I do buy the Impact 5-light head http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …ive_Lamp_Fluore​scent.html (external link), it will be because I can replace the 30 watt bulbs included with 5 50 watt bulbs instead. http://www.1000bulbs.c​om …ompact-Fluorescents/8742/ (external link)That would put out a LOT of light... about 1250 watts tungsten equivalent for one head.

I am still working all this out, but so far it looks like you need to put out at least 20,000 lumens of light (around 1,500 watt tungsten, or 400 watt CFL) to get the shuuter speed up enough and the aperture closed enough to work comfortably.

Going with strobes is the easy answer, of course, and with a flash meter, it isn't really that hard technically. It just takes some practice pre-visualizing the light. My goal is to be good at both.

When you say you need to have the watts to about 400 watt CFL to work in good shutter speed and apeture are you talking actually CFL watts or eqv. I think the set up I am looking at is 2 heads each with about 250 CFL and 500 eqv or 1000 eqv for total. Any idea at what that might let you work at as far as ISO and shutter.


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Jul 23, 2008 16:40 as a reply to  @ canon shooter's post |  #10

one other factor that could come into play is the person's health. let me clarify, that is kind of broad.
sometimes strobe lights, or flashing lights can induce seizures in some people with epilepsy.


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Jul 23, 2008 17:28 |  #11

400 *actual* CFL watt's should be a good start. Remember to have maybe 25% of that be fill/accent/hair/rim/w​hatever.


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Jul 23, 2008 18:09 |  #12

There is a guy in the studio I use that has some high continuous lights. He was telling me that they produce 750 watts but the bulbs pop from time to time and cost around $80 per bulb.




  
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Jul 24, 2008 11:25 |  #13

CFL's? I've used mine for around 100 hours so far, with no problems. 750 sounds like halogen maybe. The 150 watt CFL's cost about $55 or so, and have a lifespan of about 8000 hours.


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