Day 3 with Canon 300mm with 1.4 at times (Short Season Class A BB)

ok I needed to know what I was missing so I used a Canon 300L F2.8 with my siggy 1.4. I wanted to see how it would do, and I am amazed. Even with the extension on there images were as clear it seemed as without. The 300 is an amazing lens!

Here are those images, enjoy.

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Matt,

In image #7 he is throwing what is called a "circle change", which is a change-up grip where the thumb and fore-finger form a circle.

Nice images BTW - I agree that the Canon 300/2.8 is a SUPER sharp lens. I find it to be much sharper than my 400/2.8, even with 1.4 and 2X extenders.

Keep up the good work!

-Brian

Interesting. Does holding onto the ball like that force you to throw softer? Is that a reason to hold it like that?

great shots, that is probably my favorite lens you were shooting

Yeah, same motion as a fastball yet much slower.

AthleticsPhotog wrote in post #5974512
Interesting. Does holding onto the ball like that force you to throw softer? Is that a reason to hold it like that?

Yes. The secret to a good changeup is maintaining the same motion and arm speed as when throwing the fast ball. By changing the way the ball is gripped (deeper into the palm, circle grip, etc), the pitcher is able to deliver the ball at a speed slower than the batter anticipates based on the pitcher's body and arm motions.

Oh yeah, wonderful shots.

Holding with that grip and having the same arm speed also creates a lot of movement (for a straight pitch).

Nice shots btw.

As those above me have said, the whole idea behind any kind of off-speed pitch is deception. The arm action and arm speed are the same as when delivering a fast ball, so the batter is timing it like a fastball, and usually swings too soon because the ball is travelling at a slower speed. A change-up is a pitch that takes some time to master. I am trying to teach my 10 year old how to throw one, and the key for kids is to get them to resist the urge to slow their entire motion down, when again, it is the grip on the baseball that will affect it's speed.

On a similar note, there are different grips to a fastball as well. You will hear people talk about a four-seam fastball (hence the name of Four Seam Images), a two-seam fastball and a cut fastball. All are thrown with the same arm action and speed, but the different grips will make the ball move (hopefully) differently, again to keep the batter off-balance.

As others have said the grip on the ball makes it move much slower. My dad used to throw one to me when I was practicing for little league baseball and I could never hit it.

Dave

SportsOnFilm wrote in post #5974952
As those above me have said, the whole idea behind any kind of off-speed pitch is deception. The arm action and arm speed are the same as when delivering a fast ball, so the batter is timing it like a fastball, and usually swings too soon because the ball is travelling at a slower speed. A change-up is a pitch that takes some time to master. I am trying to teach my 10 year old how to throw one, and the key for kids is to get them to resist the urge to slow their entire motion down, when again, it is the grip on the baseball that will affect it's speed.

On a similar note, there are different grips to a fastball as well. You will hear people talk about a four-seam fastball (hence the name of Four Seam Images), a two-seam fastball and a cut fastball. All are thrown with the same arm action and speed, but the different grips will make the ball move (hopefully) differently, again to keep the batter off-balance.

Yup, I struggle with kids slowing down there arm action or trying to change there slot because they think it will help and don't realize it's the deception of it, no matter how many times they're told. All my pitchers learn the 2/4/cut/change and once old enough limited curves - curves, sliders put unneed torque on the elbow and at a young age thats not good. However, not every pitcher will be effective with each pitch and usually has 2-3 good pitches (hopefully) once they get older and see what works better. I got one kid who lives on fastballs (2 and 4), and another who can throw four pitches effectively (2, 4, change, curve) - though when that curve is off it has a big sign that says "HIT ME" as it just hangs up in the zone. 15 years old and just learning it, and very limited in how often he is to throw it.

As for the 300 and 1.4, I agree. Not sure about the Sigma but with my Canon 1.4 I notice very little change in IQ if any at all Matt.

Nice series of photos. Looks like the lens works well!

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Are you having him throw the curve just for effect at this point, i.e. outside the zone when ahead or even in the count?

How do you like canon 300mm f2.8 compared to your siggy?

To be honest the Canon is light years ahead of the Siggy. The color, contrast and sharpness from 2.8 and beyond is night and day to me. But you know what, I also miss the 120-300 zoom I would have with the siggy at times as well.

But your also talking about almost a 2,000 dollar difference lens wise.

THe speed, IS and quality of the 300 is amazing.

These shots look awesome. I can't wait to get this lens!