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Future Proofing your Computer: one or two Quad cores on new mac pro?

 
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Jul 27, 2008 12:36 |  #16

I think on balance that if you could afford the 8 cores, you've made a solid choice. Enjoy when it arrives. Enjoy even more when 10.6 arrives :D

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Jul 27, 2008 19:02 |  #17

Good call - given the length of time you are hoping to be able to keep the computer it's a given that software will catch up to the compute power you just bought and then some.

The big add on that will make the most of the CPUs is RAM. I added 4 2GB sticks of Crucial RAM (lots cheaper than Apple's) to mine to give it 10GB and find that I am typically running at around 5.5-6GB when I have everything I want open and usable. It's nice not waiting for your computer to catch up with what you ask it to do when you are trying to wade through 200+ photos at the end of a day's worth of shooting.


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Jul 27, 2008 19:51 |  #18

sure definitely. I already ordered 2 2gig sticks to add to the 2 gigs the computer comes with, I figure that 6gb should be more than enough for this software cycle, then in a year or so I can buy more, and hopefully 4 gig sticks will be a lot less then too.


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Jul 27, 2008 20:11 |  #19

That should do fine for now. I wasn't sure how much I needed to keep all of my tasks active for my current software when I got mine and subsequent glances I have taken at system resources suggest that most of the time I am just below 6GB.

The one thing we can always count on is the fact that RAM gets cheaper through time.


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Jul 27, 2008 20:11 |  #20

Is it a good idea to have matched pairs of memory?


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Jul 27, 2008 21:19 |  #21

Billginthekeys wrote in post #5993652 (external link)
... I figured both arguments had good points but only one side could lead to no regrets.

Wow, sage thinking. :)


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Jul 27, 2008 21:20 |  #22

P.S.,. Now i'm jealous...


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Jul 27, 2008 21:31 |  #23

tim wrote in post #5995996 (external link)
Is it a good idea to have matched pairs of memory?

Yes - you have to add the DIMMs as matched pairs. This is not optional.


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Jul 27, 2008 21:34 |  #24

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #5985956 (external link)
I[m not familiar with the Mac-intel MOBO architecture,

Of course not. Has been outdated for over two hundred years.


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Jul 27, 2008 21:39 |  #25

I must be out of date if Apple is no longer using intel CPUs ?


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Jul 27, 2008 21:40 as a reply to  @ Beaufort 12's post |  #26

To swerve off my swerving off the thread...

... as far as I have researched, most software is not able to use eight cores. To use eight cores, software has to be specifically written to do so.

I wonder if, when you bought 8 cores now, have 4 cores sitting around thumb-twiddling.

Except you always have other applications running in the background, then you could benefit.

How much is the price difference between 4 and 8 cores? Do you have applications running in the background? What if you bought the cheaper machine now, and upgraded in a year or two? If there's a 1000 Dollar difference between 4 and 8 cores...?

What applications are you running mostly? If it's Photoshop or other image editing apps, I doubt if they can use more than 2 or 4 cores...

As far as I have heard, some 3D apps can use 8 cores.


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Jul 27, 2008 21:41 |  #27

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #5996584 (external link)
I must be out of date if Apple is no longer using intel CPUs ?

Apple? Do they still have Apple Computers in the future? Weren't they taken over by... you?


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Jul 27, 2008 21:44 |  #28

tim wrote in post #5995996 (external link)
Is it a good idea to have matched pairs of memory?

That's what I heard.

Read, actually, I read it. Could have said "heard", too. Just not literally. Guess this is not the day for literal statements. So I finally decided to write "read".


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Jul 27, 2008 22:02 |  #29

Beaufort 12 wrote in post #5996590 (external link)
To swerve off my swerving off the thread...

... as far as I have researched, most software is not able to use eight cores. To use eight cores, software has to be specifically written to do so.

I wonder if, when you bought 8 cores now, have 4 cores sitting around thumb-twiddling.

Except you always have other applications running in the background, then you could benefit.

How much is the price difference between 4 and 8 cores? Do you have applications running in the background? What if you bought the cheaper machine now, and upgraded in a year or two? If there's a 1000 Dollar difference between 4 and 8 cores...?

What applications are you running mostly? If it's Photoshop or other image editing apps, I doubt if they can use more than 2 or 4 cores...

As far as I have heard, some 3D apps can use 8 cores.



Wonderful post, great way of moving the thread off topic and, believe it not, wrong.

It has been proven that photoshop does use all 4 cores in a quad core machine, and performance numbers would indicate it uses all 8 in a dual quad core.
There is nothing to suggest it can't use as many as you throw at it, and the large render farms that utilise hundreds of CPUs at the same time would tend to back that idea up.

For an application to use more than 1 core, all it needs is to be running more than 1 thread of code.
When used in a good operating system, each thread will be given to a separate processor until you either run out of threads or processors.
This process is more more efficent by having dual sockets with dual bus controllers etc. It's why CDS's antiquated skynet will process the photoshop test file faster than my nice modern quadcore.


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Jul 27, 2008 22:37 |  #30

You benifit from 8 cores if you burn DVD's , CD's , back up your computer , Go on internet while running CS 3 in back ground -- any 3 at same time .
Mine slows down when time machine , internet and downloading pictures thru firewire are doing there thing at same time .


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