Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Community Talk, Chatter & Stuff General Photography Talk 
Thread started 27 Jul 2008 (Sunday) 11:23
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Initial impressions after shooting D700 for a day

 
picturecrazy
soft-hearted weenie-boy
Avatar
8,565 posts
Likes: 780
Joined Jan 2006
Location: Alberta, CANADA
     
Jul 27, 2008 11:23 |  #1

Picked up this badboy friday...

IMAGE: http://www.nightanddayphoto.ca/misc/forumpics/wff/d700.jpg

Ok, after shooting a day with the D700, I thought I'd lay out a couple subjective opinions coming from a 20 year canon user. First of all, this is NOT SCIENTIFIC, and definitely NOT COMPREHENSIVE. It's just my initial opinions and impressions and should not be mistaken as a qualified review.

Stuff I love about the D700 (and some are Nikon general comments):
-It's such an awesome package they put together in terms of features.

-Pro level AF.

-Man, Nikon viewfinders ROCK! ALWAYS loved all the info they can put on the screen! Like crop lines and such that can be added or removed at any time!
wicked! Canon has NO SUCH DYNAMIC viewfinder displays. LAME.

-Dedicated switch for MF/Servo/oneshot focusing. I switch between Servo and one shot a lot and a dedicated switch is nice!

-Reassignable buttons! You can reassign some of the buttons on the body to do whatever you want to do. That is nice and customizable. Canon mark III has this to some degree, but it's much more limited.

-LCD screen has much higher resolution.

-To delete a photo, you press the same button twice. Love this! Much faster than "press delete, spin wheel, press ok".

-Impressed with the speed and responsiveness of the D700. Viewfinder blackout is also very short.

-Good set of custom functions

-Virtual horizon is cool for an idiot like me who is notorious for slanted horizons

-Higher ISO settings. Even though I found ISO12800 and 25600 to be pretty crappy and useless, it's still there for you in a pinch. I use 6400 a lot on the mark III so I could see myself using 12800.

-Select between 14-bit RAW and 12-bit RAW. This is cool in that it saves a bit of space, and I'd probably use 12-bit for less important images.


Stuff I didn't like about it:
-Ergonomics. Ok, people are going to blast me for this, as they say nikon always has had better ergonomics. But I disagree. The main wheel is right UNDER the shutter release, whereas canon puts it above. Well, my middle finger sits as high up on the grip as possible, which is millimetres away from the wheel. This is interfering with my index finger trying to spin the wheel! I can't get the meaty fleshy part of my index finger on the wheel to spin it well. I tried holding the camera lower on the grip, but it was not comfy. I tried spinning the wheel with my middle finger but it's weird trying to hold the camera with just your ring finger and pinky. I just couldn't use the damn wheel! WTF?

-The rear wheel is not at all like Canon's. Where canon has laid the rear wheel out flat so it looks like a disc, nikon's looks much like the main wheel in that it's a slit where the edge of the wheel sticks out. It's placed well in a comfortable spot, but I'm not used to how slow using that wheel is! For example, I go from F/18 to F/2.8 often on a sunny day, when I suddenly go indoors. On canon, this literally takes LESS THAN a QUARTER OF A SECOND to change. SUPER fast! On the Nikons, it takes me SEVEN spins of the wheel to get there. Talk about SLOW! Probably not much of an issue to most but this bugged the crap out of me. The main wheel isn't so great either, it takes more spins to get to where you want over canon's wheels. (BTW, by default the shutter speed is set on the rear wheel and aperture on the front wheel. I switched everything to work as much like a canon as possible)

-Live view. I thought live view would KICK A$$ on the D700 as it has a MUCH higher resolution LCD screen than the mark III or 40D. All I can say is a big WTF?? Live view BLOWS compared to Canon's implementation! It's frame rate is painfully choppy, and zooming in so freaking blurry and nasty! And if indoors, the amount of noise you see on the screen is horrendous! Canon's liveview works at like 60+ FPS even in low light, MUCH less noise, and when you zoom in 10X, the image is SOOOO FREAKING clear and sharp when in focus! I am 100% confident in manually focusing with canon live view. I couldn't trust nikon's live view for manual focus. The image just never gets tack sharp, even when in focus. Man what a letdown.

-Controls on top left of the camera. Ok I think this implementation totally blows. See image here: http://a.img-dpreview.com …ond700/images/t​opleft.jpg (external link)
First of all, changing ISO is an awkward two handed affair. You press the ISO button and spin the wheel to change it. By default, you gotta HOLD down to ISO button to change it, but I quickly set it so you don't have to do that (a la canon). Second of all, the button doesn't protrude, so you have like no tactile feedback on when your finger is on the button! Third, I tried this with a heavy 2.8 telephoto on the camera... I had to take my face away from the camera to change ISO, because the left hand, which supports the weight of the heavy lens, now has to press that button high up on the body. I think it's terrible. I switch ISO a LOT when shooting, and with canon, your hands do not even move to change it. And on the 40D/mark III, your right index finger does the whole job. Same deal for WB, though this doesn't bother me as much. Fourth, to change from single shot, to high speed/low speed burst, timer etc are all on that dial, but it has a lock button, so it's a PITA to spin it. And when you DO spin it, it doesn't have good tactile feedback with definite CLICKS when you land on each setting. There ARE clicks, but they are SUPER WEAK! Not a big deal though as I don't switch between burst modes too often, and not like canon's method is fool proof either. One cool thing is that Mirror lockup is right on this dial so it's not a custom function to access it. But ever since live view, I could care less. Now I just switch on live view whenever I want a mirror lockup shot.

-Chimping... although the LCD rocks and full images look fantastic on the screen, the reality is it looks like crap when really zoomed in. I'm suspecting the limitation is that it's viewing just a low res thumbnail much like canon's system, so even with high res screen it still looks like garbage zoomed in a lot.

-No ISO 50. 100 is as low as it goes.

-Menu interface is really clunky compared to the 40D/mark III tabbed layout. Using the two wheels on the canons, it's brutally fast to rip through the menu
system. Nikons menu system requires a lot of button pushes to get through, and some settings have all kinds of sub menus and stuff which to me is a lot slower to get through.

-My menu. Ok, it's a great feature, but on all my latest canon cameras, right at the top of My Menu is FORMAT. I tried adding that to the D700 menu and it specifically says it will not allow FORMAT to be added to your custom menu. WTF??? I use this all the time, so it's great to have quick access to it. whatever...


I haven't put AF really through it's paces yet, so not too much to comment there. But using the 50 1.4, I figured it would have plenty of light to AF well. Strangely enough, it had trouble focusing on stuff I thought it shouldn't. Then I'd pick up the 1Ds mark III with the 85 1.8 and boom, no problem focusing on the same thing. I don't know if the lens sucks or if it's the body, but it definitely couldn't lock onto stuff that I'm used to locking onto. It could very well be user error... maybe it prefers a different kind of contrast to what I've been giving it? I dunno... I think I need to play around more before giving a solid opinion on it. But first impression is that the AF is no better than canon's.

Anyhow, i was certainly and definitely impressed, but it didn't blow me away and I don't think I'll be making the jump. It's an awesome camera but not anything that isn't easily answered by what I already have, or by what canon will release in the near future. So right now I'm leaning towards NOT WORTH MAKING THE JUMP... despite all my 1D and 24-70L problems.

Curious to see other's D700 impressions and whether that (and the D3) are enough to make them jump.

-Lloyd
The BOUDOIR - Edmonton Intimate Boudoir Photography (external link)
Night and Day Photography - Edmonton Studio Family Baby Child Maternity Wedding Photographers (external link)
Night and Day Photography - Edmonton Headshot Photographers (external link)
Facebook (external link) | Twitter (external link) |Instagram (external link) | Gear

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
SimonG
Goldmember
Avatar
1,007 posts
Joined Jan 2006
Location: Kitchener, ON
     
Jul 27, 2008 11:37 |  #2

That's a nice looking camera Lloyd... thanks for the review. I'd be interested in hearing more about the AF performance once you've had a chance to put it through its paces a bit more, and don't forget to include some sample pictures. :)


-- Michael (a.k.a. SimonG)
EOS 5D | 17-40 f/4L | 24-105 f/4L | 40 f/2.8 | 50 f/1.4 | 85 f/1.4 | 430EX | Zenfolio (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
cryforashadow
Senior Member
Avatar
321 posts
Joined May 2008
Location: whatever.
     
Jul 27, 2008 11:38 |  #3

Main wheel's place looks weird.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
RX350
Senior Member
559 posts
Likes: 5
Joined Jun 2007
     
Jul 27, 2008 11:42 |  #4

very interesting , Thanks for posting.



_________

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
gool
Senior Member
Avatar
518 posts
Likes: 4
Joined Oct 2007
Location: Vancouver, Canada
     
Jul 27, 2008 11:44 |  #5

Did you buy it, rent it, borrow it?

The guy at my church loves his D3. He says it's the first camera to make him excited about photography in a long time and he's had a load of cameras over the years.

So no other hand-me-downs for me yet? hehe
Actually I'm trying to decide which UWA to buy. :)
Hopefully a 70-200 next year.


Paul | 7D | 10D
Canon EF 85 f1.8| Tamron 17-50|Canon EF 35-80 (macro)| Tokina 11-16 | 580EX II
5 MDH | Kata 3N1-22 | Billingham 206 Presstop | Horusbennu NEO 1128TT + LX-1T

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Sauk
Goldmember
Avatar
4,149 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Oct 2007
Location: Sandy, UT
     
Jul 27, 2008 11:45 |  #6

i for sure like the ability to see crops in the view finder if I read that right. Is that not possible to get in a canon at all?




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sadatk
Goldmember
Avatar
1,392 posts
Joined Aug 2007
Location: Atlanta
     
Jul 27, 2008 12:02 |  #7

Great impressions--seems like a great camera. Excellent descriptions of the ergonomics problems as well, really makes sense.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
darosk
Goldmember
Avatar
2,806 posts
Likes: 4
Joined Oct 2007
Location: Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia
     
Jul 27, 2008 12:07 |  #8

Thanks for the impressions - interesting read.


Tumblr (external link) | Facebook (external link) | Youtube (external link)
Gear

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
m-bartelt
Senior Member
Avatar
789 posts
Joined Apr 2008
     
Jul 27, 2008 12:30 |  #9

Great spot review! :)

The D700 was certainly out of my price range when I bought my 40D in May, however I seriously considered the D300. I know that price comparison isn't valid, but after playing around with a 40D for a few minutes, the thought of the D300 quickly vanished. Yeah, the D300 LCD is nice... It's a very solid camera, but I just don't like the ergonomics and general "hold" of the camera.

Compared to the 40D which has a more relaxed grip, it feels like I need to wrap my figners around the front of the grip and dig my fingertips in just to get the proper hold, where I can just grab the 40... This is what finally sold me.

And yes, the Canon implementation of two wheels is nicer, as well as the menu system which is just easy. Sure the Nikon does have more bells and whistles, but the Canon is much easier to use, IMO.


Canon 40D 10-22mm 24-105L 580 EX II
Canon IIIA LTM Serenar 28mm 3.5
Serenar 50mm 1.8
Leica IIIf RD ST LTM Elmar 50mm 3.5
Nikkor 50mm 1.4
Kodak Brownie No 2
:P

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
PhotoJourno
High Plains Chimper
Avatar
5,681 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 68
Joined Mar 2006
Location: Lago, CA
     
Jul 27, 2008 12:35 |  #10

You da man lloyd, thanks for the so far really biased and welcome review on the D700. :D


--Mario
"Sensa luce non si vede nessuna cosa"--Lorenzo Ghiberti

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
cdifoto
Don't get pissy with me
Avatar
34,090 posts
Likes: 44
Joined Dec 2005
     
Jul 27, 2008 12:39 |  #11

PhotoJourno wrote in post #5993736 (external link)
You da man lloyd, thanks for the so far really biased and welcome review on the D700. :D

Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis? Sounded more neutral than Switzerland to me. I lost count of WTFs though.


Did you lose Digital Photo Professional (DPP)? Get it here (external link). Cursing at your worse-than-a-map reflector? Check out this vid! (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
JC4
Goldmember
Avatar
2,610 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Apr 2007
Location: Columbus, Ohio
     
Jul 27, 2008 12:49 as a reply to  @ cdifoto's post |  #12

Awsome, thanks for the review.

I really want a 5d-700. I love my 1d-III, but not the bulk. If Canon doesn't deliver soon, I'll start working on a Nikon package. :)


John Caputo

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
lonelyjew
Goldmember
Avatar
1,411 posts
Likes: 6
Joined Mar 2008
     
Jul 27, 2008 12:51 |  #13

Great review. How does ISO performance compare to Canon when at the same ISO? Doesn't the Nikon only start to digitally boost the ISO after 6400? It would be nice if Canon could follow suit. Even if ISO 25,600 looks awful I would still love to have the option of using it; you could get pictures of things you never could at lower ISO settings.

edit*
Instead of getting on to studying my exams I found some ISO tests for the D700 and impressed isn't even the right word. ISO 25,600 is a bit on the ugly side off course but it honestly doesn't seem sooo much worse than ISO 1600 on my 350D! You couldn't get beautiful portrait shots with it but I can't even begin to imagine how useful it could be to capture a moment where little light is available.
Here's the link
http://dc.watch.impres​s.co.jp …view/2008/07/03​/8782.html (external link)


Canon 40D
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8, Canon EF-S 55-250mm IS, ∑ 18-50mm f/2.8 EX DC Macro, ∑ 105mm f/2.8 EX DC Macro
580ex II
An off brand tank of a tripod w/ Manfrotto 486RC2 Head

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
PhotoJourno
High Plains Chimper
Avatar
5,681 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 68
Joined Mar 2006
Location: Lago, CA
     
Jul 27, 2008 12:57 |  #14

lonelyjew wrote in post #5993837 (external link)
Great review. How does ISO performance compare to Canon when at the same ISO? Doesn't the Nikon only start to digitally boost the ISO after 6400? It would be nice if Canon could follow suit. Even if ISO 25,600 looks awful I would still love to have the option of using it; you could get pictures of things you never could at lower ISO settings.

Uhhh. Glad someone asked this. Curious to see what the results are.


--Mario
"Sensa luce non si vede nessuna cosa"--Lorenzo Ghiberti

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sadatk
Goldmember
Avatar
1,392 posts
Joined Aug 2007
Location: Atlanta
     
Jul 27, 2008 12:58 |  #15

D3 is about one stop ahead in iso performance so I'd suspect the same for the D700.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

7,413 views & 0 likes for this thread, 29 members have posted to it.
Initial impressions after shooting D700 for a day
FORUMS Community Talk, Chatter & Stuff General Photography Talk 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is semonsters
937 guests, 109 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.