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Aug 02, 2008 14:58 |  #196

dave kadolph wrote in post #6033417 (external link)
Make that +2

Thanks Little Ms Moderator--and congrats!

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Aug 02, 2008 15:13 |  #197

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Technically I do get to stop you if I feel you're a threat. There are many ways, legal and not. We can discuss rights vs concerns for ever and not come to an agreement. I am just saying that it serves everyone better to treat parent's concerns with respect and go an extra step in preventing / addressing them, even if you're all gung-ho about your rights.

No you don't. A "feeling" isn't legal justification to "stop" anyone from doing anything.

Try it someday and you will probably find yourself up on either assault or criminal confinement charges.

As far as "legal or not" ... you might want to be sure it is "legal" as the "not" could wind up causing more problems for you and I'm talking serious one's. Walking up and trying to get physical with someone is a quick way to get hurt as well as being charged with a crime as you will no longer have the "law" behind you.

All over some bit of paranoia (and yes I have kids).


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Aug 02, 2008 15:20 |  #198

this thread is now officially a bit silly imo (and i'm the official that has decided :p)

if you're in the UK

have some info:

http://www.sirimo.co.u​k …UKPhotographers​Rights.pdf (external link)

the rest of you can continue with your opinionated conversation

just remember that you will be chasing your tails like this next week when the next thread of this nature is started.


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Aug 02, 2008 15:32 |  #199

andrew748 wrote in post #6033534 (external link)
this thread is now officially a bit silly imo (and i'm the official that has decided :p)

if you're in the UK

have some info:

http://www.sirimo.co.u​k …UKPhotographers​Rights.pdf (external link)

the rest of you can continue with your opinionated conversation

just remember that you will be chasing your tails like this next week when the next thread of this nature is started.

You are right about that. But one of the points of the forum is to have discussions. If not it would be awfully quiet.


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Aug 02, 2008 15:34 |  #200

thebishopp wrote in post #6033506 (external link)
No you don't. A "feeling" isn't legal justification to "stop" anyone from doing anything.

Try it someday and you will probably find yourself up on either assault or criminal confinement charges.

As far as "legal or not" ... you might want to be sure it is "legal" as the "not" could wind up causing more problems for you and I'm talking serious one's. Walking up and trying to get physical with someone is a quick way to get hurt as well as being charged with a crime as you will no longer have the "law" behind you.

All over some bit of paranoia (and yes I have kids).

If I feel that you pose an immediate threat to my children - or other children - I will stop you and the last thing I would be concerned about is the criminal charges. This is true for any parent; the only thing separating a paranoid parent from a "normal" one is ability to evaluate the situation at hand and know where the real threat is.

Getting physical is just one and rather extreme example; as many here said, there are many different ways to hinder your ability to take photos of children if parents don't want you to. It's better to not allow the situation to deteriorate into confrontation at all, this was discussed to death.


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Aug 02, 2008 16:12 |  #201

Seriously? You really feel that some random person whose intention you don't know and who isn't actually doing anything wrong is an "immediate threat?" I don't know about anyone else, but I like to have some kind of rational justification behind my feelings, especially when they are pretty extreme.




  
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Aug 02, 2008 16:44 |  #202

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Seriously? You really feel that some random person whose intention you don't know and who isn't actually doing anything wrong is an "immediate threat?" I don't know about anyone else, but I like to have some kind of rational justification behind my feelings, especially when they are pretty extreme.

I think parents tend to be wound a little bit tighter when it comes to their kids. I know I am, and I don't think its necessarily a bad thing.


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Aug 02, 2008 17:23 |  #203

I don't think *most* parents tend to be "wound tight" in this way. If that were the case, it wouldn't seem so confusing to have one or two people assume the very worst of you for no particular reason. If it were common and understood that this is an immediate threat and risk, I doubt it would be shocking at all to have someone tell you that taking a picture of their child means you're likely a sexual predator.




  
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Aug 02, 2008 17:46 |  #204

AndreaBFS wrote in post #6033988 (external link)
I don't think *most* parents tend to be "wound tight" in this way. If that were the case, it wouldn't seem so confusing to have one or two people assume the very worst of you for no particular reason. If it were common and understood that this is an immediate threat and risk, I doubt it would be shocking at all to have someone tell you that taking a picture of their child means you're likely a sexual predator.

I don't think anyone is necessarily assuming the worst of anyone. A little healthy suspicion tempered with wisdom hurts no one.


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Aug 02, 2008 18:34 as a reply to  @ mattograph's post |  #205

A little research goes a long way.

I found a site with links to photography laws that may be helpful to all of us here (external link)

But this pretty much sums it up:

A direct copy from a photographers pocket legal guide

Members of the public have a very
limited scope of privacy rights when
they are in public places. Basically,
anyone can be photographed without
their consent except when they have
secluded themselves in places where
they have a reasonable expectation of
privacy such as dressing rooms, restrooms,
medical facilities, and inside

their homes.


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Aug 02, 2008 18:57 |  #206

And that I believe is a suitable place to end this discussion :)



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