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Jul 30, 2008 21:16 |  #16

I also love grids, and use then often. I even have 22" grid for my beauty dish :)

Since you've had a good run down of how they work, etc, here are a couple examples that show various ways they can be used for creative effect.

30 degree grid in a single strobe. It was the only lighting used for this image.

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22" grid on a beauty dish (30 degree??). It's not obvious since this image was cropped, but it creates a nice falloff and containment of light while still keeping the light somewhat specular.
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Grid used on background, also with a couple gobos to change the shape to match the statute.
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I use them often for accent lights, such as here on the sides of Marty.
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Jul 30, 2008 21:25 as a reply to  @ sfaust's post |  #17

Really nice images Stephen.

Wonderful use of grids and I like the image shot with the beauty dish and grid.


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Jul 30, 2008 22:36 |  #18

on the alienbees site they have a diagram that shows how the spread of the different grids affect the light.

thanks for this post I was wondering how to use them in different ways and if they are worth getting. seems so.

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Jul 31, 2008 06:12 |  #19

Great stuff, Stephen... nice examples!

Sounds like there are a lot of exciting possibilities.




  
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Jul 31, 2008 08:17 |  #20

Thanks Robert and David.

Vetteography wrote in post #6018704 (external link)
Sounds like there are a lot of exciting possibilities.

Definitely lots of possibilities. A fun way to learn how to use them effectively is shoot with nothing but one light and a grid for a couple test shoots. You'll find a few nice ways to use them with excellent results. Then add another one with a grid and play some more. If you are used to using softboxes, it will open up new road with lots more choices and styles.


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Jul 31, 2008 08:25 |  #21

sfaust wrote in post #6019129 (external link)
If you are used to using softboxes, it will open up new road with lots more choices and styles.

I couldn't agree more. If you're used to working with large modifiers with very soft and even light you'll discover a new world of possibilities with grids.

Similarly, if you use fabric grids on boxes you'll find the added control and directionality to be refreshing and will inspire new creative directions.


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Jul 31, 2008 09:45 |  #22

I really don't understand the concept of a beauty dish compared to a grid, much less a beauty dish with a grid attached. Is the primary purpose to produce a soft diffuse shadow that wraps around the subject?


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Jul 31, 2008 09:59 |  #23

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I really don't understand the concept of a beauty dish compared to a grid, much less a beauty dish with a grid attached. Is the primary purpose to produce a soft diffuse shadow that wraps around the subject?

Hi Steve,

I don't think you are understand this so let me see if I can help.

When we talk about wrap and soft light we're not talking about shadow or 'a soft diffuse shadow'.

Wrap refers to the characteristic of light that will wrap around three dimensional objects. The amount of light, quality of light, and position of the light source will determine where highlight and shadow fall and the edge transfer between them.

A grid creates directionality but does not make soft light un-soft (technical term there.:D )
Adding a grid to a beauty dish will give you greater directionality and isolation but will still produce soft light.


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Jul 31, 2008 10:44 |  #24

SteveNC wrote in post #6019494 (external link)
I really don't understand the concept of a beauty dish compared to a grid, much less a beauty dish with a grid attached. Is the primary purpose to produce a soft diffuse shadow that wraps around the subject?

In addition to the good advice Robert added...

A grid and a beauty dish are really two separate things. The beauty dish is more like a soft box, while the grid is more like a snoot. So I'll compare the those, then talk about how they are used.

A softbox is a soft light source much like the light from a north facing window. A strobe with a standard reflector is a harder light source and more specular in nature, much like a bare light bulb. A beauty dish is somewhat in-between the two, as it is soft nature but with a bit more specular quality to it. You can think of it as a semi-soft soft box if you will.

A snoot is a light modifier that constricts the light to the shape and diameter of the shoot. A very small diameter snoot will create a very small spot of light, or footprint on a wall. A larger diameter snoot will create a larger footprint on the wall. A grid basically serves a similar purpose, but uses different honeycomb patterns to vary the diameter of the light. Rather than change the diameter of the snoot to vary the diameter of the light pattern, the honeycomb patterns limit the light through the honeycomb, and are measure in degrees. The grids are generally made in 10, 20, 30, and 40 degree patterns.

You can add both a snoot or grid to a softbox, beauty dish, and standard reflector. If you use a reflector with a grid, you will still get a more specular light source, and the grid will modify that specular light source creating a smaller footprint matching the selected degree pattern. But the source will still be specular in nature. It does tend to soften the light slightly, but that's a side effect and not its intended goal. If you put a grid on a softbox, it will still be a soft light source, but again be modified in a more restricted pattern with reduced light footprint.

The grids are used to limit the footprint of the light, so the photographer can 'throw' the light exactly where he wants it. A softbox will generally light a large area rather easily, but if you restrict that with a grid, it will light only the area that falls within the grids 'footprint'. Thus you still have a very soft light source, but it will only cover a very small area compared to the softbox without a grid.

I hope that helps explain the differences for you..


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Jul 31, 2008 17:52 as a reply to  @ sfaust's post |  #25

just wanted to say thanks to Stephen & Robert for sharing in this thread. It's been very informative, and the visuals really help us to see what the modifiers are doing. so thanks guys!




  
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Jul 31, 2008 17:59 |  #26

my spot grid use:

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Llike Robert, this was the only light source for this image.

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