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HELP! 16-35/24-70/17-40 + 85 1.8 ???

 
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Aug 05, 2008 22:36 |  #1

Just got my 1D, and with the 1.3x crop, my 28-105 is almost wide enough, but not quite. I shoot mostly sports and some PJ for the local paper and high school. I was initally considering the 17-40 and 85 1.8, but was wondering if the extra stop on the 16-35 would be worth essentially trading for the 85 1.8 (16-35 = 17-40 + 85 1.8 ).Then I thought, if my 28mm is almost wide enough, would the 24-70 work? Then I though I might want to go wider for group shots etc, so the 16-35?...Now I think ???


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Aug 05, 2008 22:38 |  #2

I'd recommend the 24-70L, since it's a great pair with the 70-200 and it fills in that 50mm and normal lens with a relatively fast f/2.8 aperture


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Aug 05, 2008 22:42 |  #3

Personally I'd want a real 24mm equivalent but that is up to your shooting style. You can't go wrong with the 24-70 has a PJ lens but I would get the 16-35 II and then start in with some fast primes (24/1.4 and 85) for lower light work.


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Aug 05, 2008 22:44 |  #4

Zander,

I shoot sports and freelance PJ work for the county newspapers. I use the 16-35 f/2.8 and a 70-200 f/2.8 on a 1DmkIIn and 20D.The AOV combinations from these two lenses and cameras is great for what I do. I don't miss a mid-range zoom at all. The 17-40 is not fast enough imo. I know for you that means no 85mm f/1.8 ( and you'll really want that for bball & vball) but the 16-35 f/2.8 is really a must have for a journalist, the way I see it.

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PS - I'm assuming you're talking about a 16-35 mkI bought used. Otherwise I think that's the way to go if you're on a budget.


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Aug 05, 2008 22:47 |  #5

I mainly use the 70-200 for bball and vball, so if it meant I got a great 16-35, that would be fine. I was considering the 85 kind of as a backup in case 2.8 wasn't fast enough, but the 50 could probably cover that in a pinch!


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Aug 05, 2008 22:49 |  #6

17-40, 85 1.8 and a 430EX for local paper/HS work.


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Aug 05, 2008 23:04 |  #7

Zander Albertson wrote in post #6054760 (external link)
I mainly use the 70-200 for bball and vball, so if it meant I got a great 16-35, that would be fine. I was considering the 85 kind of as a backup in case 2.8 wasn't fast enough, but the 50 could probably cover that in a pinch!

It's good that you've got enough light to use an f/2.8 lens ;) . Fwiw, I'll list my kit, since it's not in my sig. It's been built around my needs for sports (I cover 11 teams for a local college) and PJ work.

16-35 f/2.8 mkI - Gotta have wide and fast for tight dark places
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I have a 180mm macro, but I don't usually bring it with me unless there's a specific need. Everything else travels with me in the truck as I live in one corner of the county and cover too large an area to normally come home to get equipment.


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Aug 06, 2008 04:35 |  #8

JCheungPhoto wrote in post #6054701 (external link)
I'd recommend the 24-70L, since it's a great pair with the 70-200 and it fills in that 50mm and normal lens with a relatively fast f/2.8 aperture

Pretty much what I would settle with.


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Aug 06, 2008 15:08 |  #9

I think I might pick up the 17-40 by itself and see how I like that FL, and then decide whether to go with a 16-35 or 24-70.

Does the 16-35 Mk I perform acceptably on 1.3 and 1.6x bodies? Sharpness etc. wise...


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Aug 06, 2008 16:44 |  #10

Zander Albertson wrote in post #6058903 (external link)
I think I might pick up the 17-40 by itself and see how I like that FL, and then decide whether to go with a 16-35 or 24-70.

Does the 16-35 Mk I perform acceptably on 1.3 and 1.6x bodies? Sharpness etc. wise...

Here are some samples of the 16-35 mkI. All are unsharpened. The original jpgs are linked below each pic.

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Aug 06, 2008 16:46 |  #11

Zander Albertson wrote in post #6058903 (external link)
Does the 16-35 Mk I perform acceptably on 1.3 and 1.6x bodies? Sharpness etc. wise...

I would say it has excellent performance on the crop bodies. I would highly recommend the 16-35.


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Aug 07, 2008 10:57 |  #12

my 24-70L is my favorite lens, and I own all the lenses you are speaking of. The 16-35 is by no means a slouch, but you have a better range with the 24-70 (I mean, thats the primary lens for PJ's where I live). Also, the 24-70 is sharper.


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Aug 07, 2008 11:10 |  #13

johnms88 wrote in post #6064025 (external link)
Also, the 24-70 is sharper.

Which is kind of a moot point when your final destination is a newspaper press. No one should decide between those two lenses based on sharpness; they're quite different beasts.


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Aug 07, 2008 11:30 |  #14

TheHoff wrote in post #6064109 (external link)
Which is kind of a moot point when your final destination is a newspaper press. No one should decide between those two lenses based on sharpness; they're quite different beasts.

Hence, why it wasn't the main focal point of my argument towards it.


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Aug 07, 2008 13:29 |  #15

johnms88 wrote in post #6064025 (external link)
my 24-70L is my favorite lens, and I own all the lenses you are speaking of. The 16-35 is by no means a slouch, but you have a better range with the 24-70 (I mean, thats the primary lens for PJ's where I live). Also, the 24-70 is sharper.

If the OP was using FF I would recommend the 24-70, but since the OP is using 1.3x and 1.6x crops ( like I do) I have to recommend that he get the 16-35 first. It doesn't have the range of the 24-70, but it is WIDE and the 8mm difference is huge. Plus it's often much easier to take a step or two forward to get a shot than it is to step back - walls and crowds get in the way. Also, using the different crops, one can come close to bridging the gap between the lens AOVs (ie, On a 1.6x crop the 16-35 has an AOV of 26-56mm and on a 1.3x crop the 70-200 has an ~88-251mm AOV).


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