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Aug 12, 2008 22:46 |  #1

Ok this is my first post. I've been lurking for awhile.... Well I'm taking a real big deep breath and asking for some input....

Ok I'm totaly GREEN!!!!

I have a Canon Rebel XTi. Standard lens. Nothing fancy by no means!!!!

I've been asked to do a wedding and I agreed do it of course free of charge since I'm totaly GREEEN at this! I know WHAT WAS I THINKING!! But wait it gets better!

Its a very small wedding 50 guests very informal. However I have high standards for myself. So I want to do this right.

Ok outdoors at a public park. Wedding is taking place on a deck next to a man made pond with fountain (brown water) at 1pm on Aug 31st.

I'm totaly freaking out. Not sleeping at night worried that I'm going to distory their wedding photos etc. I've shared this with the bride she brushes it off and says I'll do just fine!

Ok anyways... My questions...

With full exposure to the sun at 1pm in Virginia sun right over head how in this world do I shoot this wedding? I have two 40 inch reflectors. What should I take with me (step ladder, of course can't leave my nerve pills j/k)?

Also I'm thinking of purchasing a new lens and external flash. Nothing too professional something that will work for amature like myself. Any suggestions for a nice lens (for studio type and outdoor candid shoots) on a short budget? (I'll also check out the that section on this board)

Thanks in advance!!!

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Aug 12, 2008 22:50 |  #2

Best lense on a budget, really is the 50 1.8, only about $75 used. I have it and love it!


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Aug 12, 2008 23:00 |  #3

Yea, the 50mm is a good lens if you wanna stay within a budget. It does pretty well. I use mine alot!
You should definitely get an external flash (your on camera flash will not suffice).... besides, if you do more weddings in the future, an external flash is a must have.
To stay within budget, the 430EX is a nice buy.... you can get them used for about 200-225... just check Craigslist, ebay or Amazon.
If you cannot afford to buy a nicer lens, then you might want to consider renting one... it's affordable!
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Aug 12, 2008 23:03 |  #4

Get them out of the sun for the formals if they want formals, find shade!

In terms of the actual ceremony if you can get an angle that doesn't include the water that might be best because of the reflections.


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Aug 13, 2008 06:21 |  #5

Once you get that flash you could take a couple of friends to the wedding venue soon and around the same time of day. Get one to wear a white shirt or dress and one a black jacket and practise some shots, try out some new ideas - and shoot in raw. Good luck!


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Aug 13, 2008 06:47 |  #6

I would agree with Robert16 - go to the venue in similar conditions as to when you are shooting and practise. Oh and practise with the flash as well. And practise with any new lens you buy.

Oh did i say practise?:p


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Aug 13, 2008 06:59 |  #7

One thing, grab yourself one flash minimum to help you out. Shade is not always going to be the answer for anything.


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Aug 13, 2008 06:59 as a reply to  @ neilwood32's post |  #8

Pray for clouds. Lots of them ;)

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Aug 13, 2008 07:52 |  #9

1) Read and take notes -- Understanding Exposure by Bryan Peterson

http://www.amazon.com …oks&qid=1218631​431&sr=8-1 (external link)

2) Read Wedding Photography by Mark Cleghorn

http://www.amazon.com …oks&qid=1218631​490&sr=1-2 (external link)

3) Recruit a helper. Head to the park at the same time of day that you will be taking pictures. Using what you have learned about exposure and setting up wedding shots, PRACTICE!!!! Put your helper in all of the positions you want the bride / groom in. Get a feel for the light.

Evaluate and redo. Don't quit practicing until you have shot the whole wedding in your mind and on your camera. BEFORE the day.

One of the habits of truly great photographers is that they shoot all of their jobs at least once in their head, and many ahead of time. When the money day comes, they are prepared.

Also, shooting a wedding is just as much about control as it is photography. You have to be in charge. Even if you are doing it for free, you should have a contract, outlining what is expected of them. That they will be ready for the formals at the appointed time, etc. This is good practice for you, and lets them know that, even though you are doing it for free, you can't be effective if you don't have their cooperation.

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Aug 13, 2008 08:24 |  #10

You might like to have a look at my gear and this thread, My advice would be Don't do it! save yourself a lot of hassle, at least until you have the gear for the job ((and I don't mean step ladders) for instance, what do you do if your camera breaks down? in your case you go home and think to yourself "I need another camera'! two in fact if your XTI dies. to say nothing of shooting the whole shebang on either the 18-55 or the nifty 50, you might manage with focal length at a pinch, but you won't manage with quality given your admitted inexperience.

I don't say this to be nasty or snide, if I saw a child dashing into a busy street I would physically restrain it for its own safety, everybody on this thread up to now has accepted that you do the job, I don't, and this thread tells you why.
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=551211


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Aug 13, 2008 08:31 |  #11

Ukuleleman wrote in post #6099154 (external link)
You might like to have a look at my gear and this thread, My advice would be Don't do it! save yourself a lot of hassle, at least until you have the gear for the job ((and I don't mean step ladders) for instance, what do you do if your camera breaks down? in your case you go home and think to yourself "I need another camera'! two in fact if your XTI dies. to say nothing of shooting the whole shebang on either the 18-55 or the nifty 50, you might manage with focal length at a pinch, but you won't manage with quality given your admitted inexperience.

I don't say this to be nasty or snide, if I saw a child dashing into a busy street I would physically restrain it for its own safety, everybody on this thread up to now has accepted that you do the job, I don't, and this thread tells you why.
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=551211

Actually, I agree here on principle. I don't do weddings because I am not equipped to do them. A good wedding photographer is like a good teacher: undercompensated and underappreciated.

However, I do assume a commitment has been made. Further, anyone insane enough (no offense to the op!) to hire someone with no experience to shoot their wedding will NOT likely understand being backed out on, for any reason.

So, if the bed is made -- gotta sleep in it.

But, to the OP -- if you can reconsider, its a sound recommendation to do so.


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Aug 13, 2008 09:17 |  #12

Read through this post and the links contained within: https://photography-on-the.net …php?p=5999915&p​ostcount=2

Shooting a wedding is a challenge and a very responsible job. I understand that you're quite new and that you've explained that to the bride so don't let that be a worry to you.

tim wrote in post #5949762 (external link)
Make them sign a contract saying agreeing you're not up to the task, and to expect nothing.

The main thing is that you keep calm and organised on the day.

On the gear side of things a 430ex flash as others suggested would help you and the nifty will be good, although consider also getting a better, faster zoom - 17-55 f2.8 or 24-70 f2.8 either by purchasing or renting. Don't be afraid to go to the bride and ask her to cover the cost of the rental if you take that route.


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Aug 13, 2008 10:36 |  #13

Wedding is taking place on a deck next to a man made pond with fountain (brown water) at 1pm on Aug 31st.

If it rains, you need to be ready to shoot inside. While the 50 is a nice lens, getting group shots with it will push you WAY back & you'll need the off camera strobe for the power. Unless you get a 17-55 f2.8 or 24-70 f2.8, you'll have to guts it out with your Kit lens, so think about at least renting the flash & practicing with it before the event. Better to buy one now.
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Personally, I wouldn't touch this job with your 10-foot pole! So, good luck! ;)


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Aug 13, 2008 14:33 |  #14

for outside shots, with a straight horizon, use a graduated neutral density filter!. It should help very much if the difference between the sky and the ground is a huge f/stop apart.




  
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Aug 13, 2008 14:35 |  #15

Contrary to what others have said, I honestly wouldn't worry about a lens or a flash at this point...6 months ago maybe, but not now. Unless you know how to use both to their best advantage, all you're doing is adding an extra unknown element to the equation. For example, if you don't know HOW to use that flash properly, chances are you're going to end up with hot spots and such, especially in regards to the bride's dress. If you're real unfortunate, you could end up with the whole wedding party looking like vampires! This applies to the lens as well...your simply better off working with what you already have and are already familiar with. A "cheap kit lens" is going to do more -if- you know how to use it than even the most expensive L lenses will in the hands of a newbie. Instead of "figuring out how to use new equipment", you'd be better off on going with your strengths and working with what you already have and know. Now is NOT the time to go shopping for new toys! Just be aware of your lighting, pay attention to your framing and compositions and check your shots frequently and you should do ok (and having the "highlight warning" turned on in camera helps too!).

Beyond that I would suggest looking around on the web or go to the library/bookstore and get yourself a book that has a list of the "must have" shots...there's really too many of them to keep track of for a beginner. For example, if they want some "formals", you'll need the "bride and groom", "bride with bride's parents", "bride with groom's parents", "groom with groom's parents", "groom with the bride's parents", "bride and groom with bride's parents", "bride and groom with groom's parents", "bride and groom with both sets of parents", grandparents, children, groomsman, bride's maids....the list is nearly endless! Some pre-ceremony candids are also really nice...shots of the groom's father straightening his tie, the bride putting on her garter, etc.. You'll also want special shots during the ceremony such as the exchanging of the rings, the "you may now kiss the bride", the cutting of the cake at the reception (and the smushing of the cake in each other's faces), the garder and bouquet toss, shots of everyone in the wedding party, the dinner tables BEFORE the feast at the reception and for the love of God, don't forget to get shots of the person performing the ceremony! LOL!!! Like I said, get yourself a list!

The thing to remember about photographing a wedding is that you are "telling a story with pictures" that (hopefully) the bride and groom will keep forever, so make sure you tell the WHOLE story. Miss a chapter and you could miss A LOT!

The second thing I would suggest is to shoot more than one of each shot...bracket your shots so that you will get something usable. Since you're shooting digital, MAKE SURE you have enough memory cards!!!! If you only have a single 1 or 2 gig memory card, it's NOT enough...make sure you have -at least- 5 to 7 gigs of memory for the camera and/or something like a laptop handy in case you need to back things up quickly to make more room. Having even the nicest flash or lens in the world isn't going to mean squat if you run out of memory to shoot pictures! Think of it this way, do you really want to have to look at the bride and have to say "Sorry...I missed the kiss because my memory card was full"...talk about embarrassing!

On that same note, extra batteries charged up the night before and ready to go! For an important shoot such as this, I ALWAYS carry at least 2 backup batteries as well as 2 or 3 extra sets of batteries for the flash (should you decide to use one). As my mother used to say, "better to have them and not need them then to need them and not have them".

Beyond that, if it's a sunny day, either try to shoot in the shade or at the very least, keep the sun behind you. If the bride is wearing white, then also check and double check your exposures to make sure you're not blowing the dress out (especially with flash, it's easy to do)...again another good reason to bracket. If it rains, HAVE A BACK UP PLAN and another place to shoot. Scout the location out in advance and KNOW ahead of time what you're going to do whether rain or shine. If the groom and/or groomsmen are wearing tux's, remember that they're probably rented and will have to be back the next day...in other words, this is going to be the ONLY shot you have at doing this (hey...no pressure!). Also be flexible and willing to think on your feet. As the old saying goes, "Even the best battle plans seldom survive the first engagement!" LOL!!!

Last but not least, RELAX! You WILL screw up...we all do at some point or other. It goes with the territory and you've already made it clear to the wedding party that you ARE an amateur. Simply do your best and learn from your mistakes...that's all ANY of us can do.

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