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Aug 13, 2008 07:27 |  #1

Hi,
New to DSLR photography and LOVING my 40D with the 17-85mm IS USM.
Birthday is coming up next month and not sure which to ask for...
I'm looking to get into some portraiture and I was wanting some experienced advice on a good lens please.
Something that would be great for portraits and double up as a decent macro.
The (obvious) choices are;
1. Nifty 50 f/1.8
2. 50mm f/2.5
3. 50mm f/1.4 USM or
go for something like the EF100 f/2.8 USM...

My thinking for progression of building the kit is get #1 first, work out the nuances between that and my 17-85 and then maybe go for the EF100 later.
Or maybe I'm way off...
Comments / advice much appreciated.
Cheers!


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Aug 13, 2008 07:31 |  #2

Something with a focal length between about 50-100mm and a wide maximum aperture will work well.


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Aug 13, 2008 07:34 as a reply to  @ Tiberius's post |  #3

I'd take a look at the 85 1.8 also. I think that might be my next addition.


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Aug 13, 2008 07:58 |  #4

With a crop body, I prefer the 28-35mm focal length for portraits with environment, or portraits with two or three people. I prefer the 50mm focal length for general portraiture (I use my Rokkor 58mm f/1.2 for this), and I like the 85mm focal length for distant shots, or posed portraits (the longer length flatters facial features a bit more.) I use my Zeiss 85mm Sonnar for that. I also use my 100mm f/2 for long distance or tight head shots when I need AF. Occasionally, my Sigma 150 makes an appearance as well, though it's usually too long for portraits.

So, of your list, I'd look at the 50 f/1.4 and think about adding the 85 f/1.8 or 100 f/2. (Of course, if you don't mind manually focusing, you can get a Zeiss 85 f/2.8 and save $100 and get a better lens optically, but that's not for everyone. The Zeiss 85 is easily as good as my old 135L optically, so that's why I mention it.)


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Aug 13, 2008 08:01 as a reply to  @ Jman13's post |  #5

I would suggest looking at 85 f/1.8 or 100 f/2


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Aug 13, 2008 08:13 as a reply to  @ chioque's post |  #6

Canon 85mm f/1.8 and Sigma 30mm f/1.4.

Killer portait prime combo.




  
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Aug 13, 2008 08:18 |  #7

You want portraits and double as macro? I would vote for the 100mm f/2.8 macro lens based on what I have read.




  
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Aug 13, 2008 08:24 |  #8

Doobsy wrote in post #6098917 (external link)
Hi,
New to DSLR photography and LOVING my 40D with the 17-85mm IS USM.
Birthday is coming up next month and not sure which to ask for...
I'm looking to get into some portraiture and I was wanting some experienced advice on a good lens please.
Something that would be great for portraits and double up as a decent macro.
The (obvious) choices are;
1. Nifty 50 f/1.8
2. 50mm f/2.5
3. 50mm f/1.4 USM or
go for something like the EF100 f/2.8 USM...

My thinking for progression of building the kit is get #1 first, work out the nuances between that and my 17-85 and then maybe go for the EF100 later.
Or maybe I'm way off...
Comments / advice much appreciated.
Cheers!

Depending on your budget the 50 1.8 is amazing for the price, i only recently got mine and very happy (and suprised) at how sharp it is- damn good for around $120.


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Aug 13, 2008 08:30 |  #9

85 1.8 is my recommendation of choice. Nice overall working distance.


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Aug 13, 2008 08:31 as a reply to  @ loanrangie's post |  #10

Hmm... yeah, I was just looking at the 50mm 1.8 thread for the past hour or so.
That lens is awesome!
I might pick one up before the niece's 1st B'day on the weekend and ask for everybody to donate to the 100mm 2.8 birthday fund... ;)
Thanks for the advice guys.
Look forward to sharing some of my stuff soon.


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Aug 13, 2008 11:07 |  #11

The 50 1.8 is a great lens for the price. Can't get a better deal. I would recommend the 85 and the 100mm f/2.8 as well. I personally use the 24-70L but its pretty expensive.




  
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Aug 13, 2008 11:52 as a reply to  @ bsaber's post |  #12

I was sold on the 85 1.8 after reading all the positive reviews here on POTN and bought it several weeks ago. But after using it for a week on my 40D I found that it was just too long for my portrait needs. Even in a fairly large room I couldn't back up far enough indoors to get the shot I wanted. Outdoors it was a much better... So I returned the 85 and got the 50 1.4 and I've been extremely pleased with it.

The IQ on the 85 was fantastic and I hope to buy it again some day, but for indoor portraits it didn't work as well for me on the 40D as the 50 does. Everyone's different of course. Both are great IMO.


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Aug 13, 2008 12:13 |  #13

Doosby,
Read Jman13 post closely...you need to define for yourself what YOU mean by 'portrait' as there are many types of portraits. It is like saying "I want to buy tranportation, what do you suggest?". Some will recommend a Toyota, others a Chevy, others a Kawasaki motorcycle, and others a skateboard!


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Aug 13, 2008 16:31 |  #14

There are a number of lenses that can "double" as portrait and macro, as far as focal length is concerned.

Among macro lenses lot of people like the Canon 100/2.8 for both. Personally I think it's a little long for a lot of portraiture situations when used on any of the 1.6X crop sensor cameras.

Some alternatives are the Canon 50/2.5 (which needs an adapter to go to 1:1 macro) and EF-S 60/2.8, Tamron 90/2.8, Sigma 50/2.8 and 70/2.8. Also there's a Sigma 105.2.8, but like the Canon 100/2.8 this may be starting to get a little too long for some portrait work when used on a 40D.

Focal length aside, there are still some reasons you might want to consider separate lenses.

For one, macro lenses can be literally too sharp for some portraits. You may upset some of your subjects with the images you make with one! Not everyone wants to see their every pore, nose hair and blemish.

Also, macro lenses are optimized for their smaller apertures. Not that some don''t work very well wide open. But, the biggest challenge in macro shooting is getting adequate depth of field, and to deal with that you stop the lens down, so that's how these lenses are designed to perform best. In fact, macro lenses often have f32 or even f45 apertures, smaller than most non-macro lenses.

Another factor, macro lenses have to have a lot of focus travel, either internally or externally, to manage to cover from infinity to 1:1 magnification. This makes them, on the whole, slower focusing. There are some with features to help with this. The Canon 100/2.8, for example, has a focus limiter switch, that helps a lot. It also has USM, which is faster than a non-USM lens (Sigma offers some HSM lenses, which are similar. Other lenses with out USM or HSM may be slower focusing.)

Slower focusing in macro isn't a problem, because much of it tends to be done with manual focusing techniques, anyway.

And, on the other hand, there are "traditional" portrait lenses. They usually have a large max aperture, f2, f1.8, f1.4 and even f1.2. Plus, they are designed to work closer to those max apertures, and are not so optimized for their smallest apertures. They won't have the very smallest apertures a macro lens will. Most only stop down to f22. A few might even stop at f16.

Here you might consider the Canon 50/1.8, 50/1.4, 85/1.8 and perhaps even the 100/2 lenses. Sigma has just introduced a 50/1.4 non macro lens, too. Again, the 100mm may be a little long for some portrait work on a crop sensor camera, but the f2 aperture sure is nice.

Now, with any of these you can add macro extension tubes to the back of them, to do some macro shooting. If you plan to mostly do portraits, occasionally do macro shots, this might be the better option.

If you mostly want to shoot macro, only occasionally need to shoot a portrait (and know how to soften a too-sharp image in Photoshop), a macro lens might be your best choice.

But, you can see from the above explanations why some people have both macro and portrait lenses, even though the focal lengths may be very similar.


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Aug 13, 2008 17:40 |  #15

On a 40D, macro and portrait, there is only 1:
EF-S 60 F/2.8 Macro

Very sharp, light, and focuses more than fast enough for non-macro shots.

Do note that this lens is in effect the equivalent of the 100 mm macro, but it is lighter and a teensy weensy better IQ-wise.

The AoV of this lens on APS-C, or for that matter of 100 mm on FF, is approximately equal to the AoV (24 - 27 degrees) the human eye/mind uses to look at other human faces, which is why we think of it as a natural AoV for portraiture.

With almost 10 cm of WD (Working Distance), thanks to IF, this lens allows for more space between front lens and subject at 1:1 than most short (non-IF) macro lenses up to and including 100 mm, and even some of the 150 mm ones.

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