Would you pay for a true pro-sumer camera?

mattograph wrote in post #6130052
I agree.

Here is my secret hope. There are TWO full frame cameras coming from Canon. The first is a "full frame" 40D -- a full frame based on the Digic III. I think that, based on the recent rumors about the 5D MK II at $2295 is this camera.

Then -- another full frame. A standard body around a 1D MK III AF system. $3495. Perhaps this is the mystical 7D.

I'd rather have a 1D MK III in a 40D body with crop.


I think canon 'simply' need to do a D300/700. I.e do a 5D MK II (with probably the internals of a 1D almost as Nikon have raised the bar), which is full frame - and a crop equivalent

mrklaw wrote in post #6131813
I'd rather have a 1D MK III in a 40D body with crop.


I think canon 'simply' need to do a D300/700. I.e do a 5D MK II (with probably the internals of a 1D almost as Nikon have raised the bar), which is full frame - and a crop equivalent

I could live with that.

It depends what you put into the word prosumer.

As a middle point between a 1D MKIII and a Rebel 400 I think the 40D lives up to it's moniker of being pro-sumer.

On the other hand if you look at like a pro camera that has been stripped in features and built quality just enough so that it can be sold at lower price point but with the main features and selling points of the pro camera still intact, I agree with the original poster; The 40D is not a pro-sumer camera.

With the D700 Nikon has done this exactly. A true pro would still chose the D3 as his main tool, but the D700 is close enough for a backup (or two). The enthusiastic amateur could be shelling out more money than he or she otherwise would in order to get a camera with pro features but still at a price they could justify.

Regardless of the number of models or price points they come up with there will probably be a market for it, there's enough photographers with enough needs to make ten times the amount of models there is today.

Personally I think Canon is lacking in this specific segment right now, but then again it's only weeks until they'll show us their hand and order might be restored.

A lightweight carbon fiber body

silvex wrote in post #6113952
the 40D is a pro-sumer. The 1D are pro.

Exactly, and besides, the camera is just the tool. I have taken shots for national magazines and ads with an XTI. If someone needs all the bells and whistles of a MKIII to get a quality shot, they should be taking photography lessons with the money instead

danielyamseng wrote in post #6135728
A lightweight carbon fiber body

I’m really surprised no manufacturers have gone this way. Carbon fiber is much stronger, impervious to corrosion, and more impact resistant than magnesium. Must have something to do with the misconception that a metal casing is stronger than plastic.

I would think it's cheaper to make a metal body than a carbon fibre body.

timnosenzo wrote in post #6114016
Definitely yes. For me, this is what is so attractive about the Nikon D700. It's a D3 in a smaller/lighter body. Awesome. If Canon can pull something like that off in the next 5D I will be a very happy camper. If not... my eyes might wander.

Yes...

blonde wrote in post #6114085
so what you are asking is if we would buy a D300 if Canon made it. the answer is YES for me. i would love to buy a camera with the exact same pecs and features as the D300 with a canon mount.

... and yes. If Canon made a D700 I'd definitely get it. That's the mythical digital EOS 3 (and better, even) that many have been clamoring for for years now, and incorporates everything I'd love to see in a 5D replacement. A D300 equivalent would get a look from me but only as a backup or for sports (extra "reach", aka pixels-per-duck).

Nikon are making everything I want right now except for the right lenses, which is the biggest thing keeping me with Canon.

pro-sumer and professional are subjective terms imo since the company determines this for their products

For example Canon currently reserves weather sealing as a pro feature..Nikon does not. So you can't really use weather sealing as a gauge of what professional is... So how about image quality... hmmm a 40d is pretty much just as good (dare I say better) than a 5d.... so you can't use iq as the the deal breaker.....but then is a 5d a pro camera? pros use it and for the longest time it was the only FF camera available and still is highly regarded...but wait it isn't weather sealed and the AF is too slow so it can't be pro..... how about shutter life? well that is a something that could warrant being considered professional...

Of course it is a mix of more advanced features combined together on one body that makes a it professional but I think price tag is the biggest factor.... So after my rant it would be nice if Canon had a body that was current and bridged the gap between the 40d and the "pro" bodies..cause the 40d is a very affordable camera and the MarkIII"s aren't for many.

rexspangle wrote in post #6139023
pro-sumer and professional are subjective terms imo since the company determines this for their products

For example Canon currently reserves weather sealing as a pro feature..Nikon does not. So you can't really use weather sealing as a gauge of what professional is... So how about image quality... hmmm a 40d is pretty much just as good (dare I say better) than a 5d.... so you can't use iq as the the deal breaker.....but then is a 5d a pro camera? pros use it and for the longest time it was the only FF camera available and still is highly regarded...but wait it isn't weather sealed and the AF is too slow so it can't be pro..... how about shutter life? well that is a something that could warrant being considered professional...

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You have quite a lot of confusing statements there.

For one thing, the 5D was never the only FF camera available as the 1Ds was on the market long before the 5D. Inarguably, the 1Ds is the 'pro' FF camera from Canon.

Few would also agree that the 40D has better IQ than the 5D, and while professionals can and do use both bodies, neither are 'pro' bodies as defined in the line.

As for Nikon, it isn't that Nikon has long offered a different feature set in their 'prosumer' lines. No, instead what has shaken up the market is that Nikon has just recently started to offer many previously 'pro' features like weather sealing and high end AF in their lesser offerings like the D300.

yeah perhaps my wording is a little confusing.... oh well..

I am sure I opened a can of worms...

JeffreyG wrote in post #6139871
Few would also agree that the 40D has better IQ than the 5D....

Your above comment is speculation since that could never be proven. I have yet to see solid proof supporting either is better in terms of iq. Show me a link or post some samples and then we can put the whole 40d vs. 5d debate to rest. I believe the 40d is better in terms of having newer features and iq is comparable.

Yes you are correct about the 1ds...

rexspangle wrote in post #6140017
Your above comment is speculation since that could never be proven. I have yet to see solid proof supporting either is better in terms of iq. Show me a link or post some samples and then we can put the whole 40d vs. 5d debate to rest. I believe the 40d is better in terms of having newer features and iq is comparable.

OK, scroll down to the resolution section.

http://www.bobatkins.c​om …al/eos_5D_vs_eo​s_40D.html

JeffreyG wrote in post #6140094
OK, scroll down to the resolution section.

http://www.bobatkins.c​om …al/eos_5D_vs_eo​s_40D.html

That's pretty convincing - and a good article

Agreed.

Nice to read an article thats not full of lots of Canon complaints, for once.