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Is more pixels better???

 
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Aug 16, 2008 05:38 |  #1

I have seen some awfully goodpics taken with a 3 mgp,just run of the mill around the house snapshots-not professional photo taking shots, that looked really good to me.

Technology is bringing more and more pixel numbers to the table, is this a way of saying your camera is obsolete and its time to buy a new one(money maker for the manufacturer,marketing ploy) or is there a discernable difference to the naked eye that makes the new purchase justifiable?

Laying out piles of bucks to buy the latest is not what the average consumer can do every two or three years.

I think manufacturers have to keep up with the competition and take strides to do so just to stay afloat and then the consumer has to pay the price....is that called "You have to pay to play"?

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Aug 16, 2008 06:13 |  #2

Dick,

If everything else remains the same or better, I'm thinking here of things like sensor noise levels and aberrations, even file saving speeds etc, then the more the merrier. The problem is that these things don't remain the same.

Adding more sensor "sites" creates vast technical problems, not all of which are capable of being solved given the current scientific knowledge. The smaller the sites are, or the closer together these are forced (it's got to be one or the other after all) increases noise and many/many other technical problems for the manufacturers. A lot of point and shoot cameras pack the specs with high numbers because it sells cameras. I've read comparison tests on some of these where the conclusion was that the earlier, lower spec'ed camera was the better of the two.

I believe we will soon all be shooting with full frame 100 mpixel bodies. These bodies may well not be the "SLR" format as we know it today, but rather an expensive "live view" LCD with possibly no proper shutter or aperture, instead we might have a full electronic operation. I will probably hate it, but then learn to live with it.


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Aug 16, 2008 06:16 |  #3

for me, around 8-12MP for a dslr will do.

higher MP can save the day when you need to crop at almost 100%.


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Aug 16, 2008 06:25 |  #4

Yeah, being able to heavily crop shots is a huge advantage of having high resolution photos


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Aug 16, 2008 06:44 |  #5

Lowner wrote in post #6117950 (external link)
...If everything else remains the same or better, I'm thinking here of things like sensor noise levels and aberrations, even file saving speeds etc, then the more the merrier. The problem is that these things don't remain the same...

This is exactly correct. Pixel quality trumps pixel quantity every time.


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Aug 16, 2008 07:33 |  #6

Is more pixels better???

No.

It's not really worse either.

Subjectively (and a made up, but mostly accurate statistical number,) more than 99% of all the pictures every digital camera would ever take, more megapixels would be meaningless.


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Aug 16, 2008 08:08 |  #7

Phil Light wrote in post #6118006 (external link)
This is exactly correct. Pixel quality trumps pixel quantity every time.

So we should all go and buy Sigma dSLRs then? They're the sharpest pixels out there.

Yes more pixels is better, so long as there is no sacrifice in noise, dynamic range or any other aspect of image quality. I would've bought a 5D instead of a 40D in a heartbeat if I could've afforded it and a whole new set of compatible lenses. Why? Almost 3mp difference, and better bokeh/DoF characteristics for many purposes.

More is better because of enlargement quality, printing resolution, and the ability to have room to crop.


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Aug 16, 2008 09:46 |  #8

form wrote in post #6118187 (external link)
More is better because of enlargement quality, printing resolution, and the ability to have room to crop.

I'd still disagree without the caveat of what you intend on doing with the images. If all you're doing is uploading them to Flickr or making 5x7's for the family photo album, even 6mp is more than you would ever need with plenty of room to crop.

And, unless you're doing gallery quality prints, ppi decreases as size increases. Most people don't pixel peep poster sized prints... and in case you are doing those, yes, then greater than 10mp resolution absolutely matters.


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Aug 16, 2008 11:24 |  #9

I think the manufacturers have done fairly well with the DSLRs in managing the pixels versus noise compromise, but with the P&S cameras the images are turning to crap. I can tell you this, I have a 3mp Canon S30 and a 7mp Canon A570IS. Guess which one takes better pictures with less noise? The S30 by a mile (unfortunately that camera has other problems including an unbelievably bad battery life of about five minutes).


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Aug 16, 2008 11:35 |  #10

http://www.kenrockwell​.com/tech/mpmyth.htm (external link)

http://www.kenrockwell​.com …vs-5000-dollar-camera.htm (external link)


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Aug 16, 2008 12:56 |  #11

I don't mind a higher resolution as long as I can get cheap memory cards and storage ;)


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Aug 16, 2008 15:10 |  #12

Take every photo like it will be your masterpiece; the better the file the more options you will have when you get it.


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Aug 16, 2008 16:26 |  #13

Lowner wrote in post #6117950 (external link)
Dick,

If everything else remains the same or better, I'm thinking here of things like sensor noise levels and aberrations, even file saving speeds etc, then the more the merrier. The problem is that these things don't remain the same...

Phil Light wrote in post #6118006 (external link)
This is exactly correct. Pixel quality trumps pixel quantity every time.

form wrote in post #6118187 (external link)
So we should all go and buy Sigma dSLRs then? They're the sharpest pixels out there.

Yes more pixels is better, so long as there is no sacrifice in noise, dynamic range or any other aspect of image quality...

Apparently you didn't read my post very carefully.


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Aug 19, 2008 14:15 |  #14

If a manufacturer were to put today's technology into a 6mp p&s sensor it would be the best little camera out there. But quality doesn't sell for the masses, numbers do, and companies have been advertising that more mega-pixels makes a better camera. More mega-pixels equals smaller sensor sites and more noise but increased technology makes it come out even.


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Aug 19, 2008 16:30 |  #15

Hi, Dick.

I see you're a new member, as am I. Welcome!

I think I can answer your questions "Is more pixels better?" and "is there a discernable difference to the naked eye...?"

I wrote an article that covers just those concerns ("Megapixels - What are Megapixels and How Many Do You Need in a Digital Camera?"). My article includes a MP breakdown and what the results will be using a digital camera that falls within the certain MP count. Have a look and hope it helps answer your questions:

http://www.brighthub.c​om …graphy/articles​/1000.aspx (external link)

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