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Do I have front focus issues with my XSi?

 
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Aug 18, 2008 22:24 |  #1

I am using a XSi with the kit lens. Sometimes I find the images a little soft.

I ran the focus test chart. I used a tripod with the camera at 45 degrees per the instructions.

Here is a 100% crop

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More of the front is focused than the back.

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Aug 18, 2008 22:49 |  #2

i dont think it meant 45* from the side. the front is closer than the back by shooting at this angle. so it looks good. try an L lens and see if it seems soft ;)


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Aug 19, 2008 02:43 |  #3

It's a little to the front, but that's normal as the centre of the DOF goes back as you close the aperture




  
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Aug 19, 2008 03:42 |  #4

Are you noticing any problems in normal day to day shooting?

There are certain problems with these test charts... I'd only resort to them if I suspected a problem in the first place.


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Aug 19, 2008 15:27 |  #5

JoYork wrote in post #6135929 (external link)
Are you noticing any problems in normal day to day shooting?

There are certain problems with these test charts... I'd only resort to them if I suspected a problem in the first place.

I think many people get screwy results shooting that chart - I have.

There are two common problems, ones I've seen over and over on POTN:

  • Shooting with the camera off-center from the chart, leading to a sideways tilt;
  • Shooting so the chart fills the viewfinder.
The problem with the second is if the chart (printed 8-1/2 X 11 inches) fills the viewfinder top-to-bottom in landscape mode, the shooting distance is only about 13 X focal length. For some lenses this is very close to minimum focusing distance.

Many people crop even tighter, exacerbating the issue.

Canon's specification for focus testing, so I've read, is 50 X focal length. If you shoot that chart at 50X, you'll see little if any difference over the whole chart.

EDIT: at 55 mm focal length, 50X FL is about 9 feet (2.7 meters).

I recently tested a new lens with that chart and learned that it had bad front-focus. Then I shot a resolution chart with the camera carefully lined up on-center and square, and found the lens was very sharp indeed at about the same distance. My real world shots verified that the lens was sharp.

My conclusion was that the 45 degree chart is not to be trusted.

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Aug 19, 2008 20:20 |  #6

number six wrote in post #6139174 (external link)
My conclusion was that the 45 degree chart is not to be trusted.

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Yeah, the chart does create more problems than it does solve. Most of the people who post a relatively well shot test chart end up not having a problem but aren't happy because the center line isn't exactly in the middle of the DOF like they imagine it should be...


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Aug 19, 2008 22:48 |  #7

I have had spotty results using the focus charts. The setup has to be perfect. Latly I have switched back to the good old battery test. It seems to do much better. Check out this link.
https://photography-on-the.net …hp?p=5885029&po​stcount=22

I have also modified it using soup cans to get a little more distance from the subject.


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Aug 20, 2008 02:21 |  #8

I just did the battery test with 3 batteries. It looks like the focus is ok because the middle battery is focused and the left and right ones are blurred. I guess I didn't position my camera correctly for the focus chart.


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Dec 08, 2008 19:33 |  #9

I think I'm having some front-focus problems with my camera -- I've shot with a 50/1.8, 17-55, and 70-200, and I've been getting mixed results. I have a few pictures --

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Image 1: ceiling fan (not sharp)
http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …/Fan%20--%20unfocused.JPG (external link)

Image 2: ceiling fan (sharp)
http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …hy/Fan%20--%20focused.JPG (external link)

Focused on the root of the blade (where the blade meets the motor, more or less). Slightly different apertures, but should be stopped down enough not to have affected the results this much -- I would think. (names got mixed up... sorry)

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Image 3: cable box (not sharp)
http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …0box%20--%20unfocused.JPG (external link)

Image 4: cable box (sharp)
http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …%20box%20--%20focused.JPG (external link)

Focused on "interactive digital communications" letters. Same (exact) settings for both shots -- one focused, one did not.

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Image 5: panel van (AF)
http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …raphy/Truck%20--%20AF.JPG (external link)

Image 6: panel van (manual focus)
http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …raphy/Truck%20--%20MF.JPG (external link)

Ruler test: center AF point was set to the 6" mark.

Ruler test -- AF
https://netfiles.uiuc.​edu …uler%20test%20--%20AF.JPG (external link)

Ruler test -- MF through 10x LV
https://netfiles.uiuc.​edu …uler%20test%20--%20MF.JPG (external link)

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Nikon D70 focus test page: focused on as the instructions said... on the black line in the center of the page.

Focus test -- AF
https://netfiles.uiuc.​edu …ocus%20test%20--%20AF.JPG (external link)

Focus test -- MF
https://netfiles.uiuc.​edu …ocus%20test%20--%20MF.JPG (external link)

Building -- AF
http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …ography/Buildin​g%201.JPG; (external link)

Building -- MF
http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …ography/Buildin​g%202.JPG; (external link)

Any thoughts?

There have been some sharp images, mind you; these are just to show contrast between what I think are properly-focused shots and what are somewhere out of focus. I haven't ruled out operator error, but it's the consistency of missing focus tests that scares me.


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Dec 09, 2008 23:06 |  #10

Bump, if I may -- would appreciate more eyes and any associated comments!


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Dec 09, 2008 23:13 |  #11

tigerotor77w wrote in post #6848392 (external link)
Bump, if I may -- would appreciate more eyes and any associated comments!

Sure looks as if it's front focusing to me. Pretty clear by the focus chart. I am assuming that you focused on the "focus here" bar, the camera was tripod mounted so no focus and recompose errors and such. Time to send it into Canon for a little adjustment.


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Dec 13, 2008 14:29 |  #12

I didn't get an email saying that I had a reply -- sorry for not replying!

Appreciate the help. I had wanted to go the exchange (I'm still within B&H's timeframe and shutter count) route, but I might go the calibration route now -- a friend just came over with a 35/1.4 L and it was spot on.


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Dec 13, 2008 15:35 |  #13

Did some more testing (apologize for the reflection down the center of the batteries -- I didn't have a table an appropriate height and the light just glared from the front.

Center AF and focused near the center batteries... I can't remember if the AF dot lined up with the space of if the batteries were shifted enough that I managed to find the actual front surface of the battery.

17-55:
http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …Battery%20tests​/17_AF.jpg (external link)

http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …Battery%20tests​/28_AF.jpg (external link)

http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …Battery%20tests​/55_AF.jpg (external link)

50/1.8:
http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …Battery%20tests​/50_AF.jpg (external link)

70-200:
http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …Battery%20tests​/70_AF.jpg (external link)

http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …attery%20tests/​116_AF.jpg (external link)

It seems that my two smaller lenses are the culprit, not the body. I did a test with a 35/1.4 L and its focus was better than in my tests with my 50/1.8 and 17/55:

http://netfiles.uiuc.e​du …Battery%20tests​/35_AF.jpg (external link)

Therefore, with this information, I might just ask Canon for a shipping label and send off the lenses for calibration. The question: is it irrational to fear shipping brand new lenses and a brand new body just for calibration? Will they come back dinged up or molested? Again, this could be an irrational fear of mine -- that only I am capable of taking care of my possessions as I want them taken care of -- but looking for reassurance nonetheless. :)


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Dec 14, 2008 23:40 |  #14

Any additional thoughts?

I guess it's difficult for people to give an honest response without seeing how exactly I'm going about these tests, but any general observations?


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May 13, 2009 18:49 |  #15

Hi guys....
The link (http://farm4.static.fl​ickr.com/3632/...5303e​6b1_b.jpg (external link)) shows an image taken by me in the real world. I think it demonstrates front focus. I was focusing on the birdie's eye using the centre point AF on my EOS450D ait AI+SERVO (tracks the target) focusing in the eye. To me the grass on the left foreground looks more in focus.

Q1> Shud I give my lens and cam for calibration ?

Q2? Could their performance go bad after the recalibration ?
I am happy with the EF-S18-55mm IS images as well as the 50 mmf/1.8. Will their performance degrade with my re-calibrated 450d ?

I have posted this query in another thread too
https://photography-on-the.net …9&mode=linear#p​ost7908639

I have sent this query to canon marketing Thailand. I do not know how long the camera and lens will be away and I hope they fix it satisfactorily.




  
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